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inglés translation: transferred, using the instrument for the same

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Término o frase en español:instrumentalmente transmitida
Traducción al inglés:transferred, using the instrument for the same
Aportado por: Barbara Cochran, MFA

14:12 Apr 7, 2021
Traducciones de español a inglés [PRO]
Law/Patents - Derecho: contrato(s) / share transfer process
Término o frase en español: instrumentalmente transmitida
This is for the transfer of shares from one company to another.

"La posesión de las participaciones se entenderá instrumentalmente transmitida por la formalización del ejercicio de la opción."

I'm not 100% sure about this (hence why I'm asking you wonderful guys and gals!).... but I think that, since an instrument is "a written legal document such as a contract, lease, deed, will or bond", then "instrumentalmente transmitida" should mean "transferred via legal written document"? [that's what I'm going with in the absence of any brighter ideas!]

Many thanks.
Comunican
Reino Unido
Local time: 04:11
transferred, using the instrument for the same
Explicación:
Known as "instrument of transfer": https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/instrument-of-transfer
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Barbara Cochran, MFA
Estados Unidos
Local time: 23:11
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Thank you Barbara. Although I didn't use your precise translation, I found your contribution and comments to me the most helpful. Many thanks to you and everyone else.
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3 +2transferred, using the instrument for the same
Barbara Cochran, MFA
4 +1transferred by way/by means of instrument
AllegroTrans
4instrument of transferral
Robert Carter
3 +1Possession ..... to have constructively passed
Adrian MM.
3instrumentally transferred
Marcelo Viera


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21 minutos   Nivel de confianza: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 Coincidencias de otros usuarios (netas) +2
transferred, using the instrument for the same


Explicación:
Known as "instrument of transfer": https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/instrument-of-transfer

Barbara Cochran, MFA
Estados Unidos
Local time: 23:11
Idioma materno: inglés
Pts. PRO en la categoría: 63
Grading comment
Thank you Barbara. Although I didn't use your precise translation, I found your contribution and comments to me the most helpful. Many thanks to you and everyone else.

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Coincido  Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
4 horas
  -> Mil gracias, Patricia.

Coincido  Orkoyen (X)
5 horas
  -> Thanks, Orkoyen.
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instrumentally transferred


Explicación:
...company to which the stock of the parties had been instrumentally transferred, the power of Congress would attach and find...
https://books.google.com.uy/books?id=zh0rAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA251&l...


    https://books.google.com.uy/books?id=zh0rAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=%22instrumentally+transferred%22&source=bl&ots=wQnn7Z4xnv&sig=ACfU3U
Marcelo Viera
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Neutral  AllegroTrans: Literal translatiion doesn't really work here
1 día 19 horas
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instrument of transferral


Explicación:
You might consider taking a different approach here, e.g.,

"The formal written exercise of the option shall be deemed to be the instrument transferring possession of the shares".

Robert Carter
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La posesión ... instrumentalmente transmitida
Possession ..... to have constructively passed


Explicación:
Constructively > impliedly or vicariously and ties up with the shall be deemed.....

I'm unsure instrumentalmente has the meaning of a 'proper instrument of transfer' > query, the form - oral or written - taken by 'formalización del ejercicio de la opción'.

Instrumental also has the meaning of a 'nominee' - see the second weblink: un agente instrumental being an agent acting *vicariously* as a nominee.

Ejemplos de uso:
  • constructive possession - (law) having the power and intention to have and control property but without direct control or actual presence upon it
  • Instrument of Transfer means an instrument which is effective to transfer an interest in property; it includes but is not limited to a will, a deed, a contract to transfer or bill of sale absolute vs. by way of mortgage

    Referencia: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-patents/104...
    Referencia: http://es.thefreedictionary.com/instrumental
Adrian MM.
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Neutral  Robert Carter: Interesting point you raise, but if it meant "constructively" I would expect to see "tácitamente" or "para todos los efectos" or something similar in the Spanish, rather than "instrumentalmente". "Formalización" generally means a formal writing.
18 minutos
  -> true, but used adverbially this 1. comes within the indirect-control of my first example sentence and 2. the context struck me as more akin to una sociedad instrumental > a nominee company rather than anything to do with a proper inst. of transfer

Coincido  philgoddard: I don't believe this has anything to do with instruments. This gives "implemental" as one definition, ie "as a means to an end, effectively". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/instrumentally
20 horas
  -> Thanks, Phil. I thought I'd nailed it, but apparently not....
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20 horas   Nivel de confianza: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 Coincidencias de otros usuarios (netas) +1
transferred by way/by means of instrument


Explicación:
Share transfers: are the provisions of section 112(2) of the ...
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
30 Aug 2018 — ... the Companies Act 2006 subject to section 770 of the Act, such that shares have to be transferred by way of a "proper instrument of transfer"?


1) Shares may be transferred by means of an instrument of transfer in any usual form or any other form approved by the directors, which is executed by or on behalf of the transferor. (2) No fee may be charged for registering any instrument of transfer or other document relating to or affecting the title to any share.

Company Law Club // Transferring shares



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Coincido  Luis M. Sosa
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  -> thanks
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