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opolt
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Nuclear desaster developing Mar 16, 2011

My heart and my condolences go out to all those people suffering in Japan. Natural forces have treated them an unfair, brutal blow, and I hope they'll recover as much as possible from this very soon.

I have deep respect and admiration for many things Japanese. To the point that I'm planning to learn Japanese one day just for the sake of it (not for earning money). It makes my heart ache to see them suffering so much. I can't sleep anymore.

I also have the feeling that t
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My heart and my condolences go out to all those people suffering in Japan. Natural forces have treated them an unfair, brutal blow, and I hope they'll recover as much as possible from this very soon.

I have deep respect and admiration for many things Japanese. To the point that I'm planning to learn Japanese one day just for the sake of it (not for earning money). It makes my heart ache to see them suffering so much. I can't sleep anymore.

I also have the feeling that the traditional Japanese discipline helps them a lot to deal with the crisis.

However, I have to say, wrt the nuclear desaster now developing, my feeling is that the Japanese authorities and TEPCO (plus the IAEA and maybe even the Jap. press) -- all of them seem under-informed, evasive, incompetent, and practically helpless. I'm sorry to say, they all seem to be hiding behind a tea ceremony here, trying to save face. They don't seem to grasp the seriousness, or don't want to tell their people. There seems to be a lot of inaction, trying to stick to mere etiquette. Of course, they want to avoid panic, but still. Just watch Japanese TV a bit to see what I mean. I really, really hope they won't regret it.

I have worked in a (non-nuclear) power station, and as far as I can tell, the fact that a mere 50 to 70 or so staff are left on such a huge site means they have practically abandoned it (they will have their reasons). For such a plant you need at least four to five times that number just to run it.

I suggest we judge the rationale of nuclear power, especially in such a place, at a later time, when the crisis is "over".

But I fear the worst. These are very dark nights indeed.

(I apologize for going off-topic so far, but my feeling is that this is truly exceptional, and somehow I had to share my thoughts.)



[Edited at 2011-03-16 22:39 GMT]

[Edited at 2011-03-17 12:07 GMT]
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Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT
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Completely agree Mar 17, 2011

opolt wrote:
I have worked in a (non-nuclear) power station, and as far as I can tell, the fact that a mere 50 to 70 or so staff are left on such a huge site means they have practically abandoned it (they will have their reasons). For such a plant you need at least four to five times that number just to run it.
I suggest we judge the rationale of nuclear power, especially in such a place, at a later time, when the crisis is "over".

I completely agree with this assessment. And indeed, when this is over we will have to examine the amount of energy we consume so liberally and how much human suffering (in sickness, death by energy-related wars, or loss of human rights in the producing countries) we are causing with that.


 
Izabela Czartoryska
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A lot of pain Mar 17, 2011

I feel very sorry for Japan. And in the long run for our whole planet.

Just recently I came across this article, explaining about the fuel in regard to this specific reactor that most of us (me included till so far) do not know or realiz
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I feel very sorry for Japan. And in the long run for our whole planet.

Just recently I came across this article, explaining about the fuel in regard to this specific reactor that most of us (me included till so far) do not know or realize:

http://www.next-up.org/pdf/Japan_Plutonium_warning_for_Fukushima_3_MOX_alert_16_03_2011.pdf

To be honest, it shocked me quite strongly. We seem to be capable of destroying the planet and we are aiming right there it seems.

I have the impression we are highly underinformed about the actual situation what happens currently and in general in the whole energy business all over the place. The short-sightedness and greed of humans, reflected in our governments and even more so in the energy companies terrifies me and makes me very, very sad.

Just felt like sharing this.
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Erica Salvaneschi
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charity links Mar 18, 2011

Hi everyone,

hope you don't mind if I take one more minute of your time, but I would like to grab this opportunity to throw in another couple of links.

The first one is a page set up by my colleague Mayumi here http://www.justgiving.com/Mayumi ; please consider donating even a small amount;

the second one is a cool l
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Hi everyone,

hope you don't mind if I take one more minute of your time, but I would like to grab this opportunity to throw in another couple of links.

The first one is a page set up by my colleague Mayumi here http://www.justgiving.com/Mayumi ; please consider donating even a small amount;

the second one is a cool link from Threadless http://causes.threadless.com/japanrelief/submissions/ the well-known t-shirt online shop. They promoted a t-shirt design contest, deadline set for tonight, after which the winners' designs will go on sale. Most of them are really cool and the company will donate a big percentage of each sale to the American Red Cross.

My English isn't good enough to express how much I admire and praise the Japanese, but my taste is good enough to buy one of those tees.

Oh and I don't work for them in case you were wondering
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Domingo Trassens
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Japanese drama Mar 19, 2011

Till now, we don’t know all the truth about the Japanese tragedy. The earthquake and tsunami hit hard the people and the infrastructure of the country, but some pictures from the international press don't look truthful. For the other side, Japanese culture is not opened to share its own problems with others. By the way, the current government reports don’t explain the facts in their complete dimension. Domingo A. Trassens (2011/03/19)

 
For those who are thinking donation ....... Mar 19, 2011

In a time like Japanese Tsunami/earthquake tragedy, we all wish to help.
But us living far from the affected area, one of the few things we can do is to donate ..... donate any amount of money us individual can afford, to those suffering people.

The victims are in dire needs of basic daily necessities such as foods, fresh water, and warm shelter under frigid winter weather of Northern Japan.
They are reduced from relative affluence to desperate and most pitiful conditio
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In a time like Japanese Tsunami/earthquake tragedy, we all wish to help.
But us living far from the affected area, one of the few things we can do is to donate ..... donate any amount of money us individual can afford, to those suffering people.

The victims are in dire needs of basic daily necessities such as foods, fresh water, and warm shelter under frigid winter weather of Northern Japan.
They are reduced from relative affluence to desperate and most pitiful condition of many wants.

On the other, a Japanese translator Ms. Shibuya posted in Japanese forum that there is a fake Japan Red Cross site, taking advantage of the tragedy to trim their own pockets by asking "donation".

If you are thinking of donation, it might be prudent to visit a site like this before you actually put your hard earned money for this noble cause.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1221
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Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT
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Things evolving Mar 22, 2011

opolt wrote:
However, I have to say, wrt the nuclear desaster now developing, my feeling is that the Japanese authorities and TEPCO (plus the IAEA and maybe even the Jap. press) -- all of them seem under-informed, evasive, incompetent, and practically helpless. I'm sorry to say, they all seem to be hiding behind a tea ceremony here, trying to save face. They don't seem to grasp the seriousness, or don't want to tell their people. There seems to be a lot of inaction, trying to stick to mere etiquette. Of course, they want to avoid panic, but still. Just watch Japanese TV a bit to see what I mean. I really, really hope they won't regret it.

Looks like our assessment was based on Chernobyl... Although the situation is still a very severe one and there will be significant consequences in the long run for the workers and the population, risk of a disaster of planetary proportions is gradually going down.

Well done Japan! And please do your best to honour the brave men and women who risk their lives dealing with this on site! I want to express my sincere thanks on behalf of my own family and my deep respect to their heroism and commitment.


 
opolt
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It's far from over Mar 22, 2011

Tomás Cano Binder, CT wrote:

opolt wrote:
However, I have to say, wrt the nuclear desaster now developing, my feeling is that the Japanese authorities and TEPCO (plus the IAEA and maybe even the Jap. press) -- all of them seem under-informed, evasive, incompetent, and practically helpless. I'm sorry to say, they all seem to be hiding behind a tea ceremony here, trying to save face. They don't seem to grasp the seriousness, or don't want to tell their people. There seems to be a lot of inaction, trying to stick to mere etiquette. Of course, they want to avoid panic, but still. Just watch Japanese TV a bit to see what I mean. I really, really hope they won't regret it.

Looks like our assessment was based on Chernobyl... Although the situation is still a very severe one and there will be significant consequences in the long run for the workers and the population, risk of a disaster of planetary proportions is gradually going down.


I hope so, Tomás. Things have improved a bit wrt their information policy. But I'm not sure otherwise. It's still veeery early days, so let's not prejudge.

At any rate, I never thought it would be a planetary desaster, at least not in direct terms of air-borne radiation. However, it's already the second largest nuclear desaster in history. BTW Chernobyl was and continues to be a catastrophe of global concern, even though the direct effects were more or less limited to the region. M. Gorbachev stated that it cost the country more than $80B at the time just to deal with the immediate aftermath.

Now, let me say one thing very loudly: if it turns out that my angst was totally irrational and things will be all nice and dandy at Fukushima within 2 weeks or so, I will be the first one to be very relieved, and I'll happily accept the title of worst Proz.com fear monger of the year, because that would also mean that something very serious has been averted.

However things don't look all that good. If you're interested, you can read about some of the technical stuff
here.

Mind you, this is only the official status report compiled by the operator. Without going into all the details here, from what I have understood, there hasn't even been a single visual inspection of the fuel pools at 3 and 4 since the earthquake struck, much less any other relevant measurements being taken. Right now they're just dousing what has turned into a time bomb buried under piles of rubble and twisted steel. That's all.

If things get out of control in one of those pools or somewhere else, such that radiation levels are too high for the continued presence of humans, they'll have to abandon the plant. They have already been very close to that situation several times (it last happened yesterday). Even considering that the Chernobyl design was different, bear in mind that we're talking about at least 10 or 15 times the amount of fuel (from what I have gathered). Plus the closeness of the Pacific, the high population density, the scarcity of agricultural land, and the frequency of further quakes which will affect any entombment they might have to consider. At any rate, they won't be able to rely on the Soviet-style obedience of some 100,000 people or so when it comes te exposure to deadly doses. So let's hope for the best.


Well done Japan! And please do your best to honour the brave men and women who risk their lives dealing with this on site! I want to express my sincere thanks on behalf of my own family and my deep respect to their heroism and commitment.


There's been a lot of talk about heroism wrt this whole thing, but I'm not sure this is the most adequate term. To be sure, those workers deserve all our respect and support. But personally, I think of them more as victims. My suspicion is that most of them have no choice (in moral terms) to do what they are doing.

At any rate, watching the heroes sort it all out for us is nice in Hollywood movies, but in the real world I'd prefer not having to rely on them (if there's any choice).

[Edited at 2011-03-22 13:16 GMT]


 
veratek
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ways to help - CNN Mar 22, 2011

CNN's list:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/14/iyw.howtohelp.japan/index.html


 
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