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Glossary entry

español term or phrase:

sus referentes plásticos

inglés translation:

their artistic referents ( the sources which influenced their artistic expression )

Added to glossary by Bubo Coroman (X)
Apr 29, 2009 14:19
16 yrs ago
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español term

referentes plásticos

español al inglés Arte/Literatura Arte, artes manuales, pintura
The text is describing an exhibition. "Referentes plásticos" comes up several times. I know the "artes plásticas" are the "plastic arts", but "plastic" (in this sense) seems to be used less in English.

"Plastic referent(s)" sounds pretty odd to me. It gets a few hits on Google, but nothing too convincing. I'm tempted to just use "artistic referents" in this case. Any other suggestions? TIA

La exposición muestra por primera vez la relación entre Dalí y Lorca a través de sus ***referentes plásticos*** y artísticos de la vanguardia europea de los años 20’ del siglo XX.
Proposed translations (inglés)
3 signature plastic and artistic works/pieces
4 +2 benchmark artworks
4 "...key works in the plastic arts"
4 artistic influences
Change log

Apr 30, 2009 08:23: Bubo Coroman (X) Created KOG entry

Discussion

Ross Andrew Parker (asker) Apr 30, 2009:
Conclusion Based on my investigation, I've decided to use "artistic referents". I think "referent" is a legitimate option in this case and that the meaning differs slightly from "influence". I appreciate all the suggestions and references.
patricia scott Apr 29, 2009:
referentes Personally, I think artistic includes them all - the work of painters, writers, photographers, architects - when using "plásticos" as is the case in Spanish, you refer to painters and sculptors, mainly, so you'd need to add artísticos in order to include photographers, and even architects (not normally referred to as artistas plásticos, as far as I know)
Ross Andrew Parker (asker) Apr 29, 2009:
referentes In most of the cases where this comes up, I'd be inclined to use just "referents" or "artistic referents". In the case "referentes plásticos y artísticos", this would mean collapsing the distinction (if there is one!).
patricia scott Apr 29, 2009:
referentes I think Ross is right, referentes are the different sources or art works that inspired or influenced them. I think artistic referents could work.
Ross Andrew Parker (asker) Apr 29, 2009:
more context It seems clear from the different contexts in which this is used that by "referentes" the author means the models (artists, movements) that were influencing their works. So I think "referents" is okay.

Los referentes plásticos de estas obras son los artistas que trabajan entorno la revistas Valori Plastici (Chirico, Carrà, Morandi, Savinio, Funi, Severini) y L’Esprit Nouveau (Jeanneret, Ozenfant, Léger, Juan Gris, Le Corbusier, la escuela de la Bauhaus); también las obras de Picasso producidas alrededor de 1926, las fotografías de Moholy-Nagy, Man Ray y las producciones de lo que llaman la “vida moderna”.
Lydia De Jorge Apr 29, 2009:
referentes In this context, referentes refers to works...

Proposed translations

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signature plastic and artistic works/pieces

the ones they are best known for

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Note added at 17 mins (2009-04-29 14:37:06 GMT)
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thanks for that! In that case I suggest:

"the sources which influenced their plastic and artistic expression"
Note from asker:
It seems clear from the different contexts in which this is used that by "referentes" the author means the models (artists, movements) that were influencing their works. So I think "referents" is okay.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Though I've decided to use "artistic referents", I did find your answer helpful (and I hate to close a qustion without giving anyone points!). Thanks"
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benchmark artworks

Benchmark/milestone/reference (points) etc.
"Plastic" does sound odd and has had a negative connotation in English since the 60s.

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Note added at 13 mins (2009-04-29 14:32:51 GMT)
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" ... and their artistic benchmarks ..." might work in your context

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Note added at 14 mins (2009-04-29 14:33:25 GMT)
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" ... and their reference (art) works ..."
Note from asker:
See note added in discussion: Los referentes plásticos de estas obras son los artistas...
Peer comment(s):
agree Lydia De Jorge : Good call!
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agree María Diehn
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"...key works in the plastic arts"

explained among other key works in Dialektik der Aufklärung by Max Horkheimer and ... in the plastic art field, where just to mention same names, Dalí, ...
www.rec.uba.ar/CD Programacion/htm/f136.doc - Páginas similares


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The Museums of Fine Arts conserve and study collections of some 20000 plastic art works ... The Museum of Ancient Art houses works from the 15th to the 18th century. ... of Magritte and Delvaux and interesting work by Dali, Miro, de Chirico. ... devoted to the work of these two artists as key figures in Belgian art ...
www.belspo.be/belspo/res/institut/mrbbkmmk/mrbb_en.stm - 12k - En caché - Páginas similares


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Dali, Salvador, Salvador Dali - The Art of Dali The Art of Dali: .... Catalog of the retrospective held in Paris, 1990, with many key works in the artist's oeuvre illustrated. ... Condition: fine in fine plastic protected dustjacket ...
www.galleryofsurrealism.com/books.htm - 76k - En caché - Páginas similares


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Note added at 44 mins (2009-04-29 15:03:30 GMT)
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While Christian Schad's (1894-1982)famous key works that show his ... The works by artists such as Salvador Dali, Pablo Picasso and Man Ray will make .... This ensemble is indicative of the manifold Surrealism's plastic manifestations. ...
www.dadart.com/dadaism/dada/012-dada-exhibitions.html - 51k - En caché - Páginas similares
Intute: Arts and Humanities - Search results - [ Traducir esta página ]Conservators at the gallery consider ten key works on display at Tate Modern. ... The artists selected for these podcasts include Salvador Dalí, Pablo Picasso, .... Inspired by the children's interactive plastic toy, Mr. Potatohead, ...
www.intute.ac.uk/artsandhumanities/cgi-bin/search.pl?term1=... - 73k - En caché - Páginas similares
Carter - Various Media - The Saatchi Gallery - [ Traducir esta página ]Carter - View art work selected exhibitions and paintings of artist Carter at ... Salvador Dalí. -, Hanne Darboven. -, Stuart Davis. -, Willem De Kooning .... Showing the hands of the artist at work, the plastic appendages are foreign .... the title of this work points to key eras in art history where gay politics ...
www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/carter.htm - 90k - En caché - Páginas similares

Saludos :))
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2 horas

artistic influences

"Referentes" usually refers to people, not things, and this would be borne out by the continuation of the sentence, as it says they were "part of the European avant-garde in the 20s" which you would not say of pieces of art. I don't much like "referent," influences is more normal and intelligible.
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