desbordamiento urbano

inglés translation: urban eruption

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Término o frase en español:	desbordamiento urbano
Traducción al inglés:	urban eruption
Aportado por:	Robert Forstag

14:52 Sep 29, 2014

Traducciones de español a inglés [PRO]
Social Sciences - Antropología / Spain - urban development - Henri Lefebvre

Término o frase en español: desbordamiento urbano

The term apparently is a translation of one aspect of a dialectic introduced by Henri Lefebvre (1901-1991)between and attempted "cercamiento" (containment) of the city's vital communal forces on the part of capitalist elites and the "desbordamiento" of these forces that strive to break free of the oppressor's yoke.

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The extract below is from an academic paper regarding conflicting interests and forces in the Spanish city of Bilbao:

El segundo, como forma de apuntalar el desbordamiento urbano (re)generador de lo común, se asienta en una lógica de vertebración vecinal que se apoya en el discurso movimentista que reivindica el derecho a la ciudadanía (derecho a la belleza, marginalidad, centralidad, cultura) en los términos definidos por Jordi Borja (2002), situando el conflicto en el centro del dinamismo urbano.

I really don't think "spillover" or "spillage" work here. Other ideas? Thanks.

Robert Forstag Actividad en KudoZ Preguntas hechas: 1249 (1 abiertas:) (34 closed without grading) Respuestas: 5909 Estados Unidos
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urban eruption

Explicación:
I think it's something more abstract than spreading beyond spatial boundaries, and I also think you and Phil are right to link it to revolution. I've been trying to get a handle on it by dipping into Lefebvre, and specifically his The Urban Revolution (La Révolution urbaine), a significant title. He writes at one point (I quote from the English translation; I can't get hold of the French original):

"On the one hand a path is opened to exploration; on the other there is an enclosure to break out of, a consecration to transgress." (p. 31)
http://books.google.es/books?hl=es&id=5_dbeJX3EPsC&q=déborde...

A suggestive passage, though unfortunately Google Books won't let me see the wider context. But breaking out and transgression may well be the semantic area we should be working in here.

"Desbordamiento" is a bursting of the confines, and I feel intuitively that it's intended here to denote a violent, sudden, forceful transgression. I don't think I'd go as far as revolution; but eruption (etymologically a breaking-out, after all) might be an option. Here's a quotation from another of Lefebvre's works, The Production of Space:

'There is no "reality" without a concentration of energy, without a focus or core—nor, therefore, without the dialectic: centre–periphery, accretion–dissipation, condensation–radiation, glomeration–saturation, concentration–eruption, implosion–explosion.'
http://books.google.es/books?id=IJAsBHN02nwC&pg=PA197&lpg=PA...

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I note, by the way, that "eruption" is a word applied in several places to May 1968, including by Lefebvre himself (rendering, I think, the French "irruption").

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There are also words like "outburst" or "outpouring", though they don't seem quite right. Anyway, even if this doesn't give you the answer, I hope it may help you on the way, as a kind of staging post.

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Yes, I think it would, and I was actually going to suggest it at first. I held back simply because I felt that it should be something conveying a sort of explosion of energy, yet that may not necessarily be so.

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I am very interested, as always, to read Donal's comments. On the last point he raises, I would just say that eruption seems to me to be eminently active. It is not transitive, however: it is something cities do rather than something that is done to them, and that, I think, is inherently true of desbordamiento (and indeed débordement).

I don't get the sense that the phenomenon denoted by desbordamiento is spatial, and I wouldn't use a translation that implies that.

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Charles Davis
España
Local time: 13:04

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Excellent solution. Thank you, Charles. Thanks also to everyone else who responded and commented.
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3 +3

urban eruption

Charles Davis

urban sprawl

liz askew

(civic) breakout

David Hollywood

cities bursting their banks

DLyons

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philgoddard

Estados Unidos

15:47 Sep 29, 2014

Yes.

Robert Forstag

Estados Unidos

ASKER

Then again...

15:44 Sep 29, 2014

...maybe "revolt."

Robert Forstag

Estados Unidos

ASKER

@Phil

15:42 Sep 29, 2014

My thoughts exactly. But neither of those options seem to work as a translation.

philgoddard

Estados Unidos

15:26 Sep 29, 2014

I think the meaning is more like "outbursts of anger/rebellion":
http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/desbordamiento

philgoddard

Estados Unidos

Thanks

15:24 Sep 29, 2014

To me, that shows that it doesn't mean "sprawl" in this particular context. Though I'm still not clear what it means in practice - rioting in the streets? Is there anything else in the context that clarifies it?

Robert Forstag

Estados Unidos

ASKER

@Phil

15:14 Sep 29, 2014

Here is part of a paragraph from the paper's intro where the two concepts are introduced:

La primera de las tendencias—colonización de lo social por la economía y el poder—se refleja nítidamente en procesos de “cercamiento” (enclosure) (Federici 2004) real y simbólico del espacio urbano y de “depredación” de lo común (Madrilonia 2011). Esta lógica del cercamiento-depredación a/de lo urbano comunitario se expresa en la privatización del espacio público; en la difusión de un discurso ideológico sobre la ciudad, que tiende a diluir las diferencias y los conflictos en una aséptica demanda de urbanidad; en la creciente voluntad de las instituciones públicas por regular la irreductible creatividad de las calles (Delgado 2011); en definitiva, en la asunción por parte de los poderes institucionales urbanos del papel garante del orden compatible con el proyecto neoliberal. Precisamente por ello, frente y en paralelo a los procesos de “cercamiento,” eclosionan, en ocasiones con gran fuerza, desbordamientos de lo urbano que muestran la potencia emergente (Lefebvre 2003; Delgado 1999) de la urbs y su reacción ante las colonizaciones de la potestas de la polis.

philgoddard

Estados Unidos

Robert

15:08 Sep 29, 2014

I'm not sure what the "vital communal forces" are, and the extract you quote is so jargon ridden it's difficult to understand. Can you explain a bit more of the background? And what is "el segundo"?

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7 minutos Nivel de confianza:

urban sprawl

Explicación:
urban sprawl - The Free Dictionary
www.thefreedictionary.com/urban sprawl
The unplanned, uncontrolled spreading of urban development into areas adjoining the edge of a city. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English ...

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reseña de la sesión del 27 de enero de 2011
territoriosostenible2011.blogspot.com/.../resena-de-la-...
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31 Jan 2011 - ... Norte América se dirigen hacia la creación de centralidad y a no continuar los procesos de desbordamiento de las ciudades (urban sprawl).

liz askew
Reino Unido
Local time: 12:04
Idioma materno: inglés
Pts. PRO en la categoría: 7

5 horas Nivel de confianza:

cities bursting their banks

Explicación:
Lefebvre's key "L'irruption de Nanterre au sommet" has been translated as "Explosion: Marxism and the French Revolution". And "l'irruption" as "explosion" is possible, although highly interpretative!
The first issue here seems to me to be the key distinction between irruption and eruption - is the sense inward or outward? French allows either the outward or inward usage (although the latter is much more usual). However "desbordamiento" is clearly the latter, but how does Lefebvre use the term?

The outward usage of "irruption" in French is "Envahissement, débordement, pénétration brutale de forces naturelles" - and "débordement" indeed seems close to "desbordamiento". So we are looking at the semantic field of overflow which may include explosion/eruption. And this not in the passive sense of "sprawl", even though that does get the direction right.

Charles' eruption certainly works, but I wonder if eruption/explosion quite capture the active nature of what is intended? The almost rape of the enclosing space!

DLyons
Irlanda
Local time: 12:04
Idioma materno: inglés
Pts. PRO en la categoría: 7

1 hora Nivel de confianza:

Coincidencias de otros usuarios (netas) +3

urban eruption

Charles Davis
España
Local time: 13:04
Idioma materno: inglés
Pts. PRO en la categoría: 12

Grading comment

Excellent solution. Thank you, Charles. Thanks also to everyone else who responded and commented.

Notas al usuario que envió la respuesta

Usuario que pregunta: Thanks so much, Charles. Perhaps even "transgression" would merit consideration here.

10 horas Nivel de confianza:

(civic) breakout

Explicación:
I would say

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or: "revolt" as you yourself suggest

David Hollywood
Local time: 08:04
Idioma materno: inglés
Pts. PRO en la categoría: 12

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