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This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "Do you usually apply discounts for CAT tool matches?".
This poll was originally submitted by Sergio Altuna. View the poll results »
| | | | Thayenga 
Alemania
Local time: 10:19
Miembro 2009
inglés al alemán
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Even 100% matches require being checked for continuity within the text, and also regarding their meaning/spelling, e. g. then vs. than.
If the CAT tool offers a variety of possible translations, the correct term needs to be selected, and then later on proof-read. This selection/checking process also takes time (however little or much this might be), and should consequently be paid for.
| | | | | No -- never ever. | Sep 22, 2013 |
The company should pay me, if they want me to use CAT tools, don't you think? Would a doctor charge less because he just bought new diagnostic equipment and took seminars how to use it?
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In technical/medical translation it makes a lot of sense and it is simply fair.
Even 100% matches have to be checked and for that reason I charge 20% of my rate for them. Matches betwwen 95% and 100% normally require the replacement of one word with another or the correction of a typo. It makes sens to charge less. On the other hand matches less than 95% are normally not of great help and my clients pay for them the full price.
I do not have the feeling that "I charge less". My rat... See more In technical/medical translation it makes a lot of sense and it is simply fair.
Even 100% matches have to be checked and for that reason I charge 20% of my rate for them. Matches betwwen 95% and 100% normally require the replacement of one word with another or the correction of a typo. It makes sens to charge less. On the other hand matches less than 95% are normally not of great help and my clients pay for them the full price.
I do not have the feeling that "I charge less". My rates are rather high and they were chosen taking into account many factors including the use of CATs. And: My rates are high because I can offer quality and consistency and this, in technical/medical translation, is impossible without CATs. ▲ Collapse
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Julian Holmes
Japón
Local time: 17:19
Miembro 2011
japonés al inglés
| Interesting way of putting it | Sep 22, 2013 |
"Yes, but only if requested by the client"
Requested? That's putting it mildly. It's more like a "take it or leave it" demand by the client. You either accept CAT tool match discounts or you don't. If you don't, the client goes shopping elsewhere. You will not see a customer/client waive that demand.
Once again, we're back to the perennial can of worms issue of whether or not to use CAT tools for translation.
They work in some fields where repetition is rif... See more "Yes, but only if requested by the client"
Requested? That's putting it mildly. It's more like a "take it or leave it" demand by the client. You either accept CAT tool match discounts or you don't. If you don't, the client goes shopping elsewhere. You will not see a customer/client waive that demand.
Once again, we're back to the perennial can of worms issue of whether or not to use CAT tools for translation.
They work in some fields where repetition is rife (like technical translation which accounts for over 95% of my work) -- hence the demand for discounts -- and not in others. Basically, it all boils down to what you translate.
I do, however, think that some customers' blind insistence on using CAT tools and applying discounts in all disciplines is completely misguided logic.
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| | | | Diana Coada (X)
Reino Unido
Local time: 09:19
portugués al inglés
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I don't work with CAT tools.
| | | | Alexandranow
Rumania
Local time: 11:19
rumano al inglés
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ProZ.com Staff wrote: This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "Do you usually apply discounts for CAT tool matches?". This poll was originally submitted by Sergio Altuna. View the poll results »
I have to if the client request, and sometimes I do not use Cat tools, is easier without.....
| | | | Kay Denney
Francia
Local time: 10:19
francés al inglés
If I use CAT tools is more to keep track of terminology, ensuring better quality. So really this work deserves a markup.
Not that the stuff I do really warrants CAT tools anyway. There are just some agencies that want everyone to do everything using one...
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Michael Harris
Alemania
Local time: 10:19
Miembro 2006
alemán al inglés
Seeing as I do technical translations, this is just a normal thing. Why should the customer have to pay the full price for, lets say, 20,000 100% matches that do not have to proofread or even touched?
And why should the customer have to pay 100% for something that you only have to work 50%?
As long as the TM is a good quality and the rates are decent, I have absolutely no problem at all with it.
Obviously there are sectors where this does not apply, but tha... See more Seeing as I do technical translations, this is just a normal thing. Why should the customer have to pay the full price for, lets say, 20,000 100% matches that do not have to proofread or even touched?
And why should the customer have to pay 100% for something that you only have to work 50%?
As long as the TM is a good quality and the rates are decent, I have absolutely no problem at all with it.
Obviously there are sectors where this does not apply, but that is something where they probably do not need a CAT tool for anyway and therefore does not apply
Be fair with your customers and they will be fair with you, has always worked with me until now.... ▲ Collapse
| | | | Henry Hinds
Estados Unidos
Local time: 02:19
inglés al español
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In Memoriam
I also do not use CATs, that needs to be an option.
| | | | Mario Chavez (X)
Local time: 04:19
inglés al español
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| Schools of thought on CAT tool discounts | Sep 22, 2013 |
I agree with many of you regarding no discounts for CAT tool-facilitated translations.
I am part of a team of translators for a repeat client and we have to use SDL Trados Freelance, with all that is implied. Our client has already established project prices with his client; so, our choice is be part of the team or not. Since I still make very good money even with discounted matches, I don't mind.
My ground rule, however, for my other clients: I don't provide discounts,... See more I agree with many of you regarding no discounts for CAT tool-facilitated translations.
I am part of a team of translators for a repeat client and we have to use SDL Trados Freelance, with all that is implied. Our client has already established project prices with his client; so, our choice is be part of the team or not. Since I still make very good money even with discounted matches, I don't mind.
My ground rule, however, for my other clients: I don't provide discounts, not even for your grandma. I'm a professional writer/translator, not a mall retailer.
I regularly decline projects where the client wants CAT tool discounts. I do it for a number of reasons. ▲ Collapse
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Firstly because I really don't like usng cat tools. Secondly, because the majority of my projects are scanned documents. I agree with many of the other opions, I worked as a carpenter most of my life, I charged more when I bought a new tool because I could work faster and provide a better product. What part of that deserves a discount?
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Diana Coada, BA RPSI wrote:
I don't work with CAT tools.
Neither do I!
@Anna:
Are you sure that is impossible to offer quality and consistency in medical translation without a CAT tool? That's exactly what I have been doing for some years...
| | | | | Market forces work both ways | Sep 22, 2013 |
I am always happy to negotiate a discount for a job where the amount of repetition is excessive. I never give a discount where the client dictates it in order to get a job "on the cheap".
Please remember that market forces work both ways. If you don't think a discount is justified for a particular job, don't agree to it! I can assure you that there is not a surplus of competent translators, however many cut-price amateurs there may be.
Steve K.
| | | | | My tools are my tools | Sep 23, 2013 |
I work with direct clients primarily, and they don't know what CAT tools are. On the other hand, when I translate UN reports, for example, my CAT is almost useless, aside from ensuring that I don't skip any paragraphs.
If a client sends me a document I have translated before and the revised text is almost exactly the same as the old one, I do apply a complimentary discount, but I never mention translation memories.
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