cortes

15:13 Apr 25, 2015 

"Apoplectic", huh! You're funny! Thanks a million for your invaluable contributions. You're perfectly correct, I can't get into writing a dissertation on every wood type I have mentioned in the many questions I posted. I guess, I just have to try to "keep it simple - stupid"! (can´t remember who says that!). LOL!.

15:08 Apr 25, 2015 

Yes, I would suggest simply identifying this as Handroanthus chrysanthus, and more or less leave it at that. It's almost certainly the right tree, and as for the English name, well, there are equally valid options so there's no point in writing a dissertation.

I can't remember where I read that cladistics is the most venomously controversial field in biology. People get quite apoplectic about reclassifications and stop speaking to each other.

15:06 Apr 25, 2015 

Charles, you are so right about keeping it brief, but I am merely going with: ”Cortés” or “Cortez” is known as the yellow poui, among others [Handroanthus chrysanthus, formerly known as Tabebuia chysantha]. I don't want to get into the whole long discussion here, as ultimately the client will decide what to use, if any.

15:02 Apr 25, 2015 

The hard part will be keeping it brief :)

15:01 Apr 25, 2015 

A TN is obviously necessary.
"Taxonomic names strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Will not stay still. Shrieking voices
Scolding, mocking, or merely chattering,
Always assail them."

14:55 Apr 25, 2015 

Thanks again guys. As far as "cortes" (or cortés/cortez) is concerned, I have decided to add a TN and I am going with the "yellow poui", among others, and adding the scientific name [Handroanthus chrysanthus, formerly known as Tabebuia chysantha]. I will leave it up to the client to decide how they wish to treat this additional information. Many thanks again to all who participated.

14:44 Apr 25, 2015 

On donnell-smithii, I don't quite know why Grose and Olmstead refer to "resurrecting" Roseodendron. I think it's probably because despite Miranda in 1965, the consensus up to 2007 had been to place it back in Tabebuia. At any rate, they explain the history on p. 661.

As for JCU's page associating the "golden trumpet" with Handroanthus chrysanthus, I don't say this is actually wrong, but just that the name is more usually associated with Handroanthus chrysotrichus (which JCU calls "yellow trumpet tree"). It seems to me that the term "trumpet tree" is generally more common in gardening than academic botanical sources. But if Taña prefers this name, no problem.

14:16 Apr 25, 2015 

Not that it really matters, but for the record:

The shake-up in classification of Tabebuias occurred in 2007 with the publication of "Taxonomic Revisions in the Polyphyletic Genus Tabebuia s. l. (Bignoniaceae)" by Susan O. Grose and R. G. Olmstead, Systematic Botany, 32(3), 660-670. Their findings have been generally accepted.

- Tabebuia donnell-smithii was classified as a Tabebuia in 1892 and transferred to a new genus, Roseodendron, by Miranda in 1965. Grose and Olmstead confirm it as Roseodendron donnell-smithii.

- Tabebuia heterotricha becomes Handroanthus ochraceus subsp. heterotrichus.

- Tabebuia chrysantha becomes Handroanthus chrysanthus (as you know).

I didn't mean to suggest that all Tabebuia species had been reclassified as Handroanthus, just some of them, including these ones.

http://depts.washington.edu/phylo/OlmsteadPubs/Grose_Olmstea...

02:11 Apr 25, 2015 

I think it's wise to err on the side of caution here. There are various kinds of Handroanthus and I'm not sure that the Nicaraguan one is the same as the Brazilian one. One reason for favouring a Caribbean name here is geographical proximity; there's a strong chance, in principle, that it's the same tree.

02:01 Apr 25, 2015 

- poui, pau d'arco, or ipê. The latter sometimes appears as epay in English. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handroanthus

01:55 Apr 25, 2015 

Thanks so much for the additional information. I am on "overload" with this one. LOL! It is just a list of timber-yielding (maderables) trees, and it lists the: Royal Cedar, Mahogany, Spanish cedar, Quebracho, Brazilian copal (known in Spanish as ‘guapinol’), acacia and the yellow poui [Handroanthus chrysanthus, formerly called Tabebuia chysantha (known in Spanish as ‘cortés’). I am really trying to be as succinct in my explanations to the client. LOL! Again thanks. Taña

01:41 Apr 25, 2015 

Hi Taña: If it's cortés, know of the name ipe for wood - http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods... and http://poolandpatio.about.com/od/patioglossary/g/What-Is-Ipe...

00:09 Apr 25, 2015 

I may have provided inaccurate information re "cortes". I have found this too:
http://www.woodworkerssource.com/online_show_wood.php?wood=T...
Botanical Name: Tabebuia serratifolia
Other Common Names: Amapa prieta, Bastard lignum vitae, Bethabara, Canaguate, ***Cortés, Cortez***, Ebano verde, Ebene vert, Groenhart, Guayacan, Hakia, Ipe, Ironwood, Lapacho, Lapacho negro, Pau d'Arco, Polvillo, Surinam greenheart, Tabebuia, Tahuari, Tahua

May be not "Tecoma sideroxylon".