Spanish term
Nacional de
Tengo dudas respecto a la correcta traducción de estas frases:
1. Don XX nacional de Holanda con pasaporte nº 00.
2. Don XX con pasaporte nº 00 nacional de Holanda.
Gracias de antemano.
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Proposed translations
United States
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a citizen of
Or a Dutch citizen.
Both sentences are the same, but with the words in a different order.
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Note added at 6 mins (2019-01-24 18:10:41 GMT)
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You can also say a Dutch national.
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: That's odd, there was still no answer when I posted.
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Wilsonn Perez Reyes
: nacional = ciudadano
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Maximo Wilhelm Muñoz
: That´s the main reason why in the other question the term ´Estado de Nacionalidad´ needs to be translated as ´State of Nationality´, which basically means: Country (or countries) of Nationality; The country or countries of which a person holds citizenship
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Thayenga
: ;)
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Mexico
Translating full-time since 1998
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Spanish to English
national [of]
or "...a national of the Netherlands..."
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Lucy Breen
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Thanks, Lucy.
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Maximo Wilhelm Muñoz
: That´s the main reason why in the other question the term ´Estado de Nacionalidad´ needs to be translated as ´State of Nationality´, which basically means: Country (or countries) of Nationality; The country or countries of which a person holds citizenship
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Thanks, Maximo.
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Guyana
International Relations Specialist, MA
Native in: English
Works in: Portuguese to English, Spanish to English, French to English
Discussion
Don XX, con pasaporte número 00, nacional de Holanda,
= Don XX, nacional de Holanda, con pasaporte número 00,
Ambas yo las traduciría como
Mr. XX, a Dutch citizen, holder of Passport number 00
Por otra parte, la frase
“pasaporte nacional de Holanda número 00”
Para mí implica que Holanda usa pasaportes nacionales y también pasaportes regionales o locales, lo cual no es el caso
Best,
Maximo.
(https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Súbdito)
I mean, if talking about nationality/citizenship, we always say “ciudadano venezolano/de nacionalidad venezolana”, never “nacional de Venezuela”.
If, on the other hand, the emphasis is given to the place of origin, we say “natural de (place)”.
I find that the contrast “citizen vs. national” is somewhat similar to “ciudadano v. súbdito”:
<<La condición de súbdito se emplea, a partir de la Revolución francesa, en oposición con la de ciudadano (citoyen); puesto que se entendía que la de "súbdito" implicaba la sumisión a la soberanía del rey propia de una monarquía absoluta del Antiguo Régimen, mientras que la de "ciudadano" implicaba la participación en la soberanía nacional.3>>
(https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Súbdito)
(https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-commonwealth-citizens-have-an...
Citizen vs. National: Citizens are persons endowed with full political and civil rights in the state. National is wider in scope – includes non-citizens who have right to protection of state and owe it allegiance (http://lsa.mcgill.ca/pubdocs/files/PublicInternationalLaw/16...
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II. Citizen vs. National: Why is it Important?
All U.S. citizens are nationals, but not all nationals are citizens. The designation of “national” was originally used to describe those who were born within the United States territories, but who were not granted full citizenship.78 However, Congress did not define the term until 1940.79 Today, the status only applies to those born in American Samoa.80
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/591ccf16db29d6afe8606...
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The current British subject status (formally: “British subject without citizenship”) since 1983 under sections 30–35 of the British Nationality Act 1981 (c. 61) is a completely different legal creature. It really has very
Best,
Maximo.
Both answers are perfect.
Best,
Maximo.