delitos graves, delitos menos graves y delitos leves

English translation: serious offences, less serious offences and minor offences

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Spanish term or phrase:	delitos graves, delitos menos graves y delitos leves
English translation:	serious offences, less serious offences and minor offences
Entered by:	Richard Vranch

17:36 Oct 11, 2017

Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)

Spanish term or phrase: delitos graves, delitos menos graves y delitos leves

So I just wanted to see how UK translators are rendering these into En (GB) after the reforma (LO 1/2015).

When it was just “delito” and “falta” I used to put criminal and summary offence for a UK audience.

What is the best rendering of these three now?

Richard Vranch KudoZ activity Questions: 214 (none open) (20 closed without grading) Answers: 159
Local time: 15:30

serious offences, less serious offences and minor offences

Explanation:
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Note added at 13 mins (2017-10-11 17:50:03 GMT)
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Or grave offences, lesser offences, minor offences

Selected response from:

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 16:30

Grading comment

Thanks, Wendy. I think yours is the safest option and at the same time accurate to both the ST and not too ambitious from a localisation point-of-view. Thanks!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +7

serious offences, less serious offences and minor offences

Wendy Streitparth

5 -1

indictable only offences, either way offences and summary only offences

Alex Ossa

indictable only, summary only, and either way offences

Giovanni Rengifo

Discussion entries: 4

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

they are not a 'higher register'

15:46 Oct 12, 2017

but a totally incorrect rendering into a completely different legal system, with no equivalence: please think about this, Spain doesn't have triable either-way offences and its criminal system is utterly different to that of England and Wales. This is akin to translating Su Majestad el Rey de España to Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom - I'm sorry to use such an absurd example but the point that I make is that the two legal systems here are poles apart. Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate legal systems from that of England and Wales in any event.

The purpose of any translation is to provide understanding of the source text "reality", not to transliterate that "reality" into something alien.

www.gov.uk/courts is indeed a reliable source, but not for Spain! A reasonable overview for Spain can be found at http://spainlawyer.com/guia-legal/ante-la-justicia-penal/la-...

Giovanni Rengifo

Colombia

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15:41 Oct 12, 2017

To be honest I'm not familiar with the UK legal system, but I'd say www.gov.uk/courts is probably a compelling source, isnt' it?. Crimes are not classified exactly the same way in all countries, but there's probably a detailed explanation of each category somewhere in the asker's document. IMO, Wendy's suggestion is correct, but the terms I suggested are probably a higher register.

Alex Ossa

Chile

14:55 Oct 12, 2017

Delitos graves, menos graves y leves are the main, overarching categories of offences in Spain. In case of doubt, please refer to article 13 of Spain's Penal Code where they are specified. https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-1995-25444&tn=1&p...

There is of course a difference in how the offences are defined and calculated, but we are comparing the main categories of offences with Spain to the main categories of offences in the UK.

So in response to Wendy's question, both legal systems classify their offences in 3 major categories, which are are similar in content (although the approach differs).

The differences in legal systems do not take away from the fact that the three major crime classifications are similar in both systems, and are defined as the major crime categories by their respective legal bodies.

I would absolutely recommend a footnote explaining they are equivalences and not direct translations (and why), but I do not feel that a good way of getting around this inconvenience is by using terms that already have a differing existing use in the target language - hence my proposal.

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

Translation into English (GB)

09:25 Oct 12, 2017

means into English "as used" in GB, nothing more, nothing less

Answers

7 mins confidence:

indictable only, summary only, and either way offences

Explanation:
Please see classification of offences at the http address I provided below.

Reference: http://ukcrime.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/classification-of-of...

Giovanni Rengifo
Colombia
Local time: 09:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 269

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +7

serious offences, less serious offences and minor offences

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 16:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 68

Grading comment

Thanks, Wendy. I think yours is the safest option and at the same time accurate to both the ST and not too ambitious from a localisation point-of-view. Thanks!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Sofia Bengoa

15 mins

-> Thank you, Sofia

agree

Barbara Cochran, MFA

15 mins

-> Many thanks, Barbara

agree

philgoddard: You can't use British terminology for Spanish offences.

16 mins

-> Thanks, Phil

agree

Caroline Rannamets

39 mins

-> Thank you, Caroline

agree

Michele Fauble

42 mins

-> Thanks, Michele

agree

neilmac

59 mins

-> Many thanks, Neil

agree

AllegroTrans: A good,safe way of rendering this without any attempt to mushroom the classifications into GB law (UK has more than one separate legal system in any case)

4 hrs

-> Thank you very much, Allegro Trans.

disagree

Alex Ossa: Wendy, I posted a long-winded answer - the CPS ref. shows that these categories proposed by you are sub-classifications of the three major crime groups (indictable only, either way and summary only) - please take a look. // EDIT: provided further ref info

10 hrs

-> Who knows if the Spanish categorise crimes in the same way and that therefore the British crime groups apply?

agree

Yvonne Gallagher: safest bet

1 day 17 hrs

-> Many thanks, Gallagy

10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

indictable only offences, either way offences and summary only offences

Explanation:
Richard,

Although Wendy's answer clearly has a lot of public support, there is no reference that shows where these categories are formally valid. On the contrary, at the end of this I post a reference that shows this is not the overarching category required for this translation.

For criminal court cases, the terms Giovanni supplied (although I don't think his reference is as formal as it could be) are correct, according to the UK Government:

https://www.gov.uk/courts

Here they state the three categories as proposed above.

The UK Courts and Judiciary also supports this, even more clearly:

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-...

Although I have seen and heard Wendy's proposed terms frequently, they are also part of a longer list of sub-classifications of these three major terms that equate to your (Richard) question.

As you can see from this table by the Crown Prosecution Service, there are several subcategories, such as grave offences (class A), serious offences (class B), less serious offences (class C), Sexual offences etc. (class D), burglary offences (class E), all the way down to Lesser offences (class H) and Serious sexual offences etc. (class J):

https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/annex_1b_table_of_o...

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Note added at 21 hrs (2017-10-12 14:55:51 GMT)
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Further reference on equivalence in the discussion area

https://www.gov.uk/courts
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-court/magistrates-court/

Alex Ossa
Chile
Local time: 10:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 40

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