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Rubricado y Sellado

English translation: signed and sealed/stamped

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Spanish term or phrase:Rubricado y Sellado
English translation:signed and sealed/stamped
Entered by: Luis Arri Cibils

18:25 Nov 5, 2002
Spanish to English translations [Non-PRO]
Law/Patents
Spanish term or phrase: Rubricado y Sellado
Firmado por: (nombre)
Rubricado y Sellado

A Certificate
Marie
signed and sealed/stamped
Explanation:
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Luis Arri Cibils
Local time: 08:12
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Summary of answers provided
3 +8signed and sealed/stamped
Luis Arri Cibils
5 +2signed and sealed
Carina Balbo
5 +2POR FAVOR NO ME VOTEN!!!!
Aurora Humarán (X)
5 +1stamped and sealed
Paola Nobizelli
5initialed and sealed
rhandler


  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +8
signed and sealed/stamped


Explanation:
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Luis Arri Cibils
Local time: 08:12
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in pair: 515
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Aurora Humarán (X): that easy...
12 mins
agree  María Alejandra Funes
19 mins
agree  Andrea Ali
23 mins
agree  Monica Colangelo
25 mins
agree  Sery
30 mins
agree  Ross Andrew Parker
37 mins
agree  Katherine Matles
43 mins
disagree  rhandler: Initialed, not signed.
52 mins
  -> Your references to support that rubricar is to initial are inapposite. Read them and you'll see what I mean.
agree  Guillermina Canale
1 hr
agree  x-Translator (X)
2 hrs
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
stamped and sealed


Explanation:
Exp.

Paola Nobizelli
Chile
Local time: 09:12
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in pair: 18

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Guillermina Canale
1 hr
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
signed and sealed


Explanation:
rúbrica es la firma

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Note added at 2002-11-05 18:39:15 (GMT)
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Real Academia Española, Oxford Advanced Dictionary


    RAE
Carina Balbo
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:12
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  LoreAC (X): Hola otra vez!!!
42 mins
disagree  rhandler: Initialed, not signed.
46 mins
agree  Guillermina Canale
1 hr
agree  Carola Vernet: carola vernet
6 hrs
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
initialed and sealed


Explanation:
Sign implies the full signing, while initialing is "rubricado". Some examples and references:

CNN - Peace deal reached to end Muslim revolt in Philippines - ...
... The pact, initialed and sealed with a handshake on Friday in Jakarta, gives more autonomy to Muslim-dominated regions of the southern Philippines -- Asia's ...
www.cnn.com/WORLD/9608/30/philippines.peace/ - 9k

[PDF]APPLICATION AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR A CHECK SELLERS LICENSE CODE- ...
... attached. Corrections and alterations must be initialed and sealed
by executing officers and Attorneys-in-Fact. Page 10. GOVERNMENT ...
www.dcra.org/pdf/Check.pdf

Fourth Judicial District Court - Legal Terminology (BC)
... Certified Copy, Official copy of a court document, initialed and sealed by the court administrator or his/her deputy. Certiorari ...
www.co.hennepin.mn.us/courts/General/LegalTerms2.htm - 19k

[PDF]November 4, 1998 Cecil Crowson, Jr. IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL ...
Formato de arquivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - ver em HTML
... Officer Lee returned Page 3. 3 to the airport where the informant gave
Lee a small bag, which Lee initialed and sealed. Lee sent the ...
www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tcca/PDF/984/lovejd.pdf


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Note added at 2002-11-05 20:51:17 (GMT)
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Así está en el Eurodicautom:

(1)
TERM rubricado por el Presidente

Reference Base de Terminología Judit, Tribunal de Justicia de las CE; Reglamento de Procedimiento del Tribunal de Justicia de las Comunidades Europeas de 19 de junio de 1991( DOCE L 176,1991,16/1)

(1)
TERM initialled by the President

Reference Judit Terminology Data Base,Court of Justice of the EC;Rules of Procedure of the Court of Justice of the European Communities of 19 June 1991(OJEC L 176,1991,16/1)


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Note added at 2002-11-05 22:51:57 (GMT)
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Los documentos (contratos, etc.) son firmados (signed) en la última hoja y rubricados (initialed) en las demás, para garantizar que no se han cambiado hojas. También se rubrican las correcciones, para validarlas.

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Note added at 2002-11-06 12:29:12 (GMT)
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Answer to JJPPerez: please check my note above, from Eurodicautom, and the references brought by Carline Ferailleur (Larousse and Harper Collins). And, please, read my \"inapposite\" references attentively. Firmar es poner la firma entera. Rúbrica es una \"abreviación\" de la firma.


    Reference: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9608/30/philippines.peace
    Reference: http://www.dcra.org/pdf/Check.pdf
rhandler
Local time: 10:12
Native speaker of: Portuguese
PRO pts in pair: 1170

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Luis Arri Cibils: Your references simply show that those documents were initialed, not that rubricar is "to put the initials" One for instance talks that the corrections to a doc. were initialed; other than a preliminary pact was "initialed" and sealed with a handshake.
46 mins
agree  Carline Dumoulin: Interesting debate! I quote:1) Larousse's Unabridged Spa-Eng dictionary: "rubricar-to initial (un documento, etc); 2) Harper Collins Spa-unabridged dictionary: "rubricar-(+documento)-to initial, =concluir-to sign and seal
7 hrs
  -> Thank you, Carline. You brought good references too.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
POR FAVOR NO ME VOTEN!!!!


Explanation:
Me quedé pensando e investigué un poquito.

En rigor de verdad la rúbrica no es ni la firma ni la inicial. En rigor de verdad rúbrica es un "rasgo, trazo que completa las letras de la firma. Es una costumbre poner la rúbrica a continuación o debajo del nombre o apellido. En ciertas actuaciones judiciales y administrativas, el funcionario público se limita a rubricar, sin necesidad de poner la firma".... Es decir ni firma, ni inicial, sino un "firuletito" después de la firma.

Diccionario Jurídico de Cabanellas (aclaro que NO es el bilingüe).

PERO, el uso determina que la rubrica sea la firma.

Acaban de llegar abogados de uno de nuestros estudios para la rúbrica y todos entendemos que vienen para la firma de un contrato.

Ratifico mi agree que expresé más arriba, pero me pareció interesante agregar estos datos.

Aurora

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Note added at 2002-11-05 21:06:25 (GMT)
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Aclaración, dos puntos:

A ver si así queda más claro...


1) QUÉ ES RÚBRICA \"EN RIGOR DE VERDAD\":

Rasgo, trazo que completa las letras de la firma. Es costumbre poner la rúbrica a continuación (o debajo) del nombre o apellido. En ciertas actuaciones judiciales y otras administrativas, el funcionario público se limita a rubricar, sin necesidad de poner la firma /// En los libros antiguos, epígrafe, o denominación de los títulos de un texto jurídico, legal que solían estamparse comúnmente con tinta roja. (texto jurídico del Dr. Guillermo Cabanellas)


Es inevitable pensar en las firmas \"antiguas\" que tenían dibujos por arriba y por abajo y a veces \"dibujitos\" a los costados, pero no necesariamente eran las iniciales, sino algo que también podía representar al firmante (a veces arbolitos, estrellitas).


2) QUÉ ENTENDEMOS POR RÚBRICA HOY (USO VIVO DEL IDIOMA):

Es la firma, porque hoy en día el acto de la firma de un contrato no tiene otra forma de describirse que esa: FIRMA. Aunque algunos siguen haciendo unas firmas ostentosas (si bien jamás como las que seguramente originaron la palabra).


Me cansé.... Au :-))


    Traductora P�blica de Ingl�s. Universidad de Buenos Aires
Aurora Humarán (X)
Argentina
Local time: 10:12
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 395

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Luis Arri Cibils: Hi, Au. I saw that RAE's def b/4 entering my answer. Puzzled, I looked also for "rubricar":" 2. tr. Suscribir, firmar un despacho o papel y ponerle el sello o escudo de armas de aquel en cuyo nombre se escribe." Thus, rubricado = firmado = signed.
46 mins
  -> Gracias Barbara
agree  rhandler: Hacer esta firuletita es exactamente lo que se lhama, en ingles,"to initial". La firuletita son las iniciales estilizadas.
1 hr
  -> "pueden" serlo pero no "necesariamente", explico arriba...
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