ingeniería inicial

English translation: (contemplated) when it was originally conceived / at the time of its conception

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Spanish term or phrase: ingeniería inicial
English translation:(contemplated) when it was originally conceived / at the time of its conception
Entered by: Jenni Lukac (X)

02:15 Jul 31, 2011
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Spanish term or phrase: ingeniería inicial
Lo que hay es dos tiempos separados por un tiempo muerto o tiempo mediocre, una laguna inválida. Así que a la Historia se le practica una amputación. (Esta amputación sólo fue posible, no lo olvidemos, porque la ficción de un cuerpo total había sido previamente construida. La amputación, en verdad, es una de las posibilidades contempladas en la ingeniería inicial).

A google search reveals that "ingeniería inicial" appears to mean something like "engineering set up" or "first design". Any suggestions for how to translate it here in this more metaphorical (perhaps) context?

From philosophy text. Mexico.
Charles Vidor
(contemplated) when it was originally conceived / at the time of its conception
Explanation:
lawlibrary.unm.edu/nrj/39/1/17_obrien_policy.pdfFormato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vista rápida
de M O'BRIEN - Citado por 2 - Artículos relacionados
Department of Water Resources, was originally conceived in 1991 in response to drought in the state. Originally it was contemplated as a ...www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD.../china_sawyer.html - En caché; Largely defined by the initial conceptions and principles formulated by the ... The Tao (or Way) of the martial delimited its own inner realm and made equal ...; www.budsas.org/ebud/ebdha155.htm - En cachéIts Estimation in the Past and its value for the Present ... and its initial conception in the Master's mind (//manasa desana//), according to the ..... examined and contemplated in their philosophical and practical implications. ...; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Kludze - En cachéAfter graduation, he contemplated a return to Ghana to pursue an interest in the development ... What made the system unique at the time of its conception, ...
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Jenni Lukac (X)
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Thanks. Great suggestion.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1when originally devised
Jill Cornieles
4 +1(contemplated) when it was originally conceived / at the time of its conception
Jenni Lukac (X)
4in the original design/concept
Remy Arce
4(at the) design stage
David Ronder
3from the outset
David Hollywood
3in the initial engineering plan
Bubo Coroman (X)


  

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from the outset


Explanation:
maybe ...

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Note added at 5 mins (2011-07-31 02:20:42 GMT)
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a touch of poetic licence but might do the trick ...

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Note added at 11 mins (2011-07-31 02:26:06 GMT)
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in the sense that this was all thought about and taken into account beforehand

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Note added at 11 mins (2011-07-31 02:26:33 GMT)
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let's see what others have to say ...

David Hollywood
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when originally devised


Explanation:
An alternate meaning for ingeniar is devise. It looks like that is more what the text is looking for.

Jill Cornieles
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agree  Natalia Pedrosa (X)
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in the original design/concept


Explanation:
another option: "envisioned in the original design/concept"

Remy Arce
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in the initial engineering plan


Explanation:
I believe in retaining creative images like "ingeniería" if they fit in the translation, to do otherwise is to "bowdlerize" the author's writing and dilute the creativity in it

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(contemplated) when it was originally conceived / at the time of its conception


Explanation:
lawlibrary.unm.edu/nrj/39/1/17_obrien_policy.pdfFormato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vista rápida
de M O'BRIEN - Citado por 2 - Artículos relacionados
Department of Water Resources, was originally conceived in 1991 in response to drought in the state. Originally it was contemplated as a ...www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD.../china_sawyer.html - En caché; Largely defined by the initial conceptions and principles formulated by the ... The Tao (or Way) of the martial delimited its own inner realm and made equal ...; www.budsas.org/ebud/ebdha155.htm - En cachéIts Estimation in the Past and its value for the Present ... and its initial conception in the Master's mind (//manasa desana//), according to the ..... examined and contemplated in their philosophical and practical implications. ...; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Kludze - En cachéAfter graduation, he contemplated a return to Ghana to pursue an interest in the development ... What made the system unique at the time of its conception, ...


Jenni Lukac (X)
Local time: 22:01
Native speaker of: English
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Thanks. Great suggestion.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Altogringo: Good plain speak. Prefer your first option and also like Pinguino and David Hollywood.
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  -> Cheers and thanks, Altogringo.
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(at the) design stage


Explanation:
'...one of the possibilities considered at the design stage.'

I think 'design' would be a good choice here because it is valid for both engineering and Creation - God's design, by natural design etc.

David Ronder
United Kingdom
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