mecca

English translation: capital

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Italian term or phrase:mecca
English translation:capital
Entered by: Tom in London

09:37 Jul 16, 2009
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Journalism / glossy magazine prose
Italian term or phrase: mecca
it may still be OK in Italian to talk about somewhere as the "mecca". But not in English. Can someone suggest a better one-word solution that does not offend any religion?
Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:08
capital
Explanation:
the capital of architecture
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Meg Mullan
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Grading comment
thanks
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Summary of answers provided
4 +8Mecca
Fiona Grace Peterson
4 +5capital
Meg Mullan
3 +2paradise
march hare (X)
5Eden
stillbelieve
4the ultimate (in... )
Shera Lyn Parpia
4kingdom
Elena Zanetti
4monument
carly kelly
4must-visit/magnet
Giles Watson
3 +1El Dorado
Giuseppe Bellone
4the nerve centre
James (Jim) Davis
4center/centre
Colin Rowe
3is for X what Mecca is for the pilgrims
Ellen Kraus
3magnet
Michele Fauble
3the 'in' place / heaven
polyglot45


Discussion entries: 16





  

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paradise


Explanation:
Depending on where you use it..like a shopper's paradise

march hare (X)
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Shera Lyn Parpia: nicem but what about someone who doesn't believe there's any paradise?
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  -> true, I don't, but I think some things are just conceptual - anyway, so much depends on the context

agree  blattanzi
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capital


Explanation:
the capital of architecture

Meg Mullan
Italy
Local time: 13:08
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Grading comment
thanks
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks Meg.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  carly kelly: took the word out of my mouth
3 mins

agree  Fran Cesca
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agree  Monia Di Martino
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agree  Giulia D'Ascanio
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agree  De Novi: Yep!
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the ultimate (in... )


Explanation:
another idea... you might have to move the sentence around to work it in.

Shera Lyn Parpia
Italy
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kingdom


Explanation:
a suggestion...

Elena Zanetti
Italy
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Native speaker of: Italian
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is for X what Mecca is for the pilgrims


Explanation:
if the worst comes to the worst and nobody submits a better solution, you might resort to paraphrasing the term along the lines I suggested above.

Ellen Kraus
Austria
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monument


Explanation:
I like Meg's suggestion best but here's an alternative anyway.

...stands as a monument to architecture and .....

or maybe "an icon of modern architecture and ..."

carly kelly
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Specializes in field
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magnet


Explanation:
Florence is the magnet for art.
www.city-data.com/.../200266-tuscany-vacation-ideas.html

Michele Fauble
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must-visit/magnet


Explanation:
You could reformulate the sentence slightly and say "Chicago is a must-visit/magnet for architecture buffs".

HTH

Giles

Giles Watson
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
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El Dorado


Explanation:
Might be another one.:)

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Note added at 28 min (2009-07-16 10:06:03 GMT)
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Or "Eldorado" as one word.

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Would "melting pot" be out of the question? If the meaning is connected with several kinds of architecture, perhaps this one would be ok.

Giuseppe Bellone
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Native speaker of: Italian

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agree  blattanzi
1 hr
  -> Grazie/Thanks. :)
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the nerve centre


Explanation:
"Chicago is the nerver centre of modern architecture. Doesn't quite hit it precisely on the head, but the result is pretty much the same, i.e. the most important place.
Of course, just what is PC in London today in 2009, I wouldn't know, but I would just have used "Mecca".
I can't see that this use as offensive at all, if anything this use of the phrase enhances the importance of the holy city, just as "Rome wasn't built in a day" is hardly offensive to the citizens of Rome.

James (Jim) Davis
Seychelles
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Mecca


Explanation:
I see nothing wrong with using the term Mecca in English too.

"A Mecca for Modernists."

"BUSINESS TRAVEL: ON THE GROUND -- In Providence; A Mecca For Tourism And the Arts.

Providence, R.I., the much-promoted ''renaissance city,'' has become a tourist mecca with its rejuvenated downtown, trendy restaurants and vibrant cultural scene...."

"Microfinance: A mecca for 21st century idealism."
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/philanthropy/2009/01/1...


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I agree with Colin; the "m" should be in lowercase.


    Reference: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/modern.htm
    Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/09/business/business-travel-o...
Fiona Grace Peterson
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kate Chaffer: If Mecca is offensive, there are over 800,000 offensive websites out there! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-Se...
20 mins
  -> Haha - indeed :-) Thanks Kate :-)

agree  Colin Rowe: Small "m", then absolutely no problem in my view. Certainly sounds far more natural than a lot of the convoluted suggestions here!
27 mins
  -> I agree Colin, thanks for your input .-)

agree  carly kelly: yes, couldn't see what was wrong with Mecca in the first place
37 mins

agree  blattanzi
1 hr

agree  Giuseppe Bellone: How many words should we throw away if we start by eliminating this one? Any word may be offensive for someone somewhere in the world! So... why not leave it?
2 hrs

agree  philgoddard
8 hrs

agree  julie-h: I think this is absolutely fine, but if you really need an alternative just pick up the thesaurus- centre/capital/ focal point/ heart/ hub/ nerve centre
9 hrs

agree  Armilla (X)
3 days 12 hrs
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the 'in' place / heaven


Explanation:
the latter suggestion is also possibly not PC but nothing is any more - it's a hopeless cause!

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the HOLY of HOLIES

polyglot45
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center/centre


Explanation:
A few examples:

Chicago is the center of American innovation - birthplace of the skyscraper, house music, deep-dish pizza ...

http://www.mapsworldwide.com/chicago_734d0.htm

Chicago is the center of the fashion world this week.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/entertainment&...

Chicagoans also like to think that Chicago is the center of everything cultural in the United States because they have advanced far in the realm of hot dogs ...

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chicago

Chicago is the center of banking in the Midwest.

http://www.pocanticohills.org/usa99/il.htm

“Right now Chicago is the center of gastronomy,” said Adria, whose groundbreaking cooking at El Bulli restaurant has garnered ...

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/oct/08/food/chi-trot...

For the American railroad industry, Chicago is the center of the universe, with more railroad supply companies - and with the GE/Itel business combination ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-12265728.html

Chicago is the center of American business

http://www.globalchicago.org/reports/pdf/BrandingChina.pdf

Chicago is the center of the new music without a doubt.

http://www.delmark.com/rhythm.braxton.htm

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This strikes me as a good way of avoiding mecca (particularly at peak pilgrimage times!), though personally, I would not hesitate to translate "mecca" as "mecca"!

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"Chicago is THE place to be for anyone who is anyone in the world of architecture and design"

"Chicago is the pantheon for world-class architects and designers"

"Chicago is the *Promised Land* for..." [out of the frying pan, into the fire!]

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"Chicago is THE place to find world-class architecture and design"


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"Focal point" would be another possibility.

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"Chicago, the home of architecture and design..."

Colin Rowe
Germany
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Eden


Explanation:
'Mecca' in italian means a place which is realy important for a particular argument. So i don't think it would be in any way offensive, furthermore its meaning is a very positive one.

Example sentence(s):
  • San Siro Stadium is the 'Mecca' of football
stillbelieve
Italy
Local time: 13:08
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Colin Rowe: I think you mean "Old Trafford is the mecca of football"! ;-)
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