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français term
santé digitale et numérique
français vers anglais
Médecine
Médecine : soins de santé
Memorandum and articles
"La Société a notamment pour objet, en France ou à l’étranger :
- la création, développement et l’exploitation de capteurs connectés et de dispositifs médicaux, la création ou le développement de logiciels, d’applicatifs, de systèmes embarqués, la recherche et le développement d’innovations brevetables, la validation clinique des produits développés par la société, l’ingénierie, la fabrication, la vente, l’exploitation par tous moyens commerciaux et techniques, les montages commerciaux et financiers, les licences et partenariats de dispositifs destinées notamment à la santé digitale et numérique ;
- toutes les prestations, services et conseils liés aux activités sus mentionnées ;
- plus généralement, toutes opérations industrielles, commerciales et financières, mobilières ou
immobilières pouvant se rattacher directement ou indirectement à l’objet social ..." etc.
If you search on this you find this site: https://www.uniha.org/filiere/sante-digitale-et-numerique/
... they have clearly "proudly" adopted this term and like it. I actually sent an email to one of those people asking him if he could possibly explain what they mean by it. I haven't received a reply.
I'm not the only person to be slightly bemused by this term: there's an article here (https://www.dsih.fr/article/2793/digital-ou-numerique-la-fin... ) by a medical IT (?) person, saying that digital, although usually anglicism, therefore redundant in this expression, also means "relating to fingers" and therefore may suggest "the human dimension".
It'd be nice to know what connotations might be suggested by this for any French medical specialists... could it possibly be that it's just a bit, um, silly?
"La Société a notamment pour objet, en France ou à l’étranger :
- la création, développement et l’exploitation de capteurs connectés et de dispositifs médicaux, la création ou le développement de logiciels, d’applicatifs, de systèmes embarqués, la recherche et le développement d’innovations brevetables, la validation clinique des produits développés par la société, l’ingénierie, la fabrication, la vente, l’exploitation par tous moyens commerciaux et techniques, les montages commerciaux et financiers, les licences et partenariats de dispositifs destinées notamment à la santé digitale et numérique ;
- toutes les prestations, services et conseils liés aux activités sus mentionnées ;
- plus généralement, toutes opérations industrielles, commerciales et financières, mobilières ou
immobilières pouvant se rattacher directement ou indirectement à l’objet social ..." etc.
If you search on this you find this site: https://www.uniha.org/filiere/sante-digitale-et-numerique/
... they have clearly "proudly" adopted this term and like it. I actually sent an email to one of those people asking him if he could possibly explain what they mean by it. I haven't received a reply.
I'm not the only person to be slightly bemused by this term: there's an article here (https://www.dsih.fr/article/2793/digital-ou-numerique-la-fin... ) by a medical IT (?) person, saying that digital, although usually anglicism, therefore redundant in this expression, also means "relating to fingers" and therefore may suggest "the human dimension".
It'd be nice to know what connotations might be suggested by this for any French medical specialists... could it possibly be that it's just a bit, um, silly?
Proposed translations
(anglais)
| 4 +1 | digital health |
philgoddard
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| 3 +2 | digital and e-health |
Pritha Bhatnagar
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| 3 | digital health |
George May (X)
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| 3 | digital and numeric health |
SafeTex
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Proposed translations
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13 minutes
philgoddard
États-Unis
États-Unis
Native in anglais
États-Unis
Six languages into flawless English
Native in: anglais
Works in: allemand vers anglais, français vers anglais, espagnol vers anglais, and 4 more.
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digital health
I don't know why they've used the English and French words. Your reference says "La présence de ces deux mots ensemble montre clairement qu’ils ont dans notre contexte des significations distinctes," but doesn't explain what this difference is.
There may be subtle nuances of meaning between the two terms in French, but I don't think they're worth bothering about for translation purposes.
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Note added at 17 mins (2020-07-16 10:47:10 GMT)
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I'm wondering now whether I've understood the purpose of your question. Are you asking why they've used two words instead of one, or simply what digital health is? Well, here's your answer:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-digital-health/
There may be subtle nuances of meaning between the two terms in French, but I don't think they're worth bothering about for translation purposes.
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Note added at 17 mins (2020-07-16 10:47:10 GMT)
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I'm wondering now whether I've understood the purpose of your question. Are you asking why they've used two words instead of one, or simply what digital health is? Well, here's your answer:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-digital-health/
Note from asker:
| If you don't think it's worth bothering with that's your choice. I've asked this question because I do think it's worth bothering with. Actually that reference explains the "human dimension" thing under "Un processus ne se numérise pas", but if, unlike me, you don't think it's worth bothering with, why bother reading that? |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Cyril Tollari
: Numérique and digital have two different meanings in the ST, but I think the EN word digital covers both meanings.
12 minutes
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Thanks! Just out of interest, can you explain the difference in the source text?
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20 minutes
digital health
You could do worse than look at the Wikipedia entry for a definition. I think the article is of general interest and not highly technical, so I would stick with the generic 'digital health'
Reference:
Note from asker:
| The whole point is that "numérique" and "digital" are two different words in French, which they have chosen to use together. |
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24 minutes
Pritha Bhatnagar
Inde
Inde
Native in anglais
Inde
Fr-Eng&Hin since 2006, IT/Mrktg./Engg.
Native in: anglais 
, hindi
Works in: français vers anglais, français vers hindi, anglais vers hindi
digital and e-health
To use two words instead of only one term, one could use digital and e-health
Note from asker:
| Thanks, but I think this is a blind alley. The adjective "digital" in French has nothing to do with technology. By deliberately including this word in the expression they are highlighting a contrast, between "digital health", "e-health", etc. etc. and something else. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
liz askew
: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/digital-health-vs-ehealth-foc...
1 heure
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Thank you
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| agree |
Michael Roberts
19 heures
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Thank you
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48 minutes
digital and numeric health
Hello
I've not had the time to look at the comments and discussion but I think it's this, with numeric meaning "looking at the numbers" (statistics)
I've not had the time to look at the comments and discussion but I think it's this, with numeric meaning "looking at the numbers" (statistics)
Note from asker:
| The French adjectif "digital" never means that. In fact it relates only to fingers, if it is not an ill-construed and horrid anglicism. See my discussion point. |
Discussion
The expression, in fact, has nothing to do with the pre-anglicism meaning of the FR adjective digital (I speculated earlier that it might relate to the highly trained fingers of health care experts, connoting a "human" dimension).
More banal, it supposedly draws a distinction between technological change (implemented by engineers) and what I would call changes in working culture (brought about by changing ways of working of health professionals... using the whole panoply of digital technology). So Cyril T's instinct is pretty much right. To translate this into English is tricky, obviously, but it'd be something like "digital health care working culture and digital health technology", maybe.
Le terme de e-santé (e-health en anglais) - avec ses équivalents : télésanté, santé numérique, santé connectée. - désigne tous les domaines où les ...
Not suggesting a translation. Just trying to explain the two different meanings.
Of course the writer of that article may also not actually be right. He noted the change of name of this medical faculty and speculates on the meaning of the expression. We are also free to speculate on it, should we so desire.
"Adosser un processus ou une organisation à des technologies numériques ne consiste pas à les numériser. C’est en transformer les usages à base de logiciels et d’équipements numériques divers. En ce sens, le digital s’appuie sur le numérique. Le digital concerne l’usage des technologies dans sa dimension humaine et organisationnelle."