Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Catalan term or phrase:
sostres (this context)
English translation:
land space
Added to glossary by
Martin Perazzo
Mar 9, 2003 09:10
21 yrs ago
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Catalan term
sostres (this context)
Catalan to English
Other
urban regeneration, land use
Very little context I’m afraid. This is from the title of a table from a single slide in a presentation. I believe it refers to the use of buildings (dwellings, hotel/rest., tertiary industries) in a specific area of the city. The context is:
"SOSTRES I USOS DE SOSTRES"
terciari (600.000 m2)
habitatge (800.000 m2)
hoteler (100.000 m2)
Should "sostres" be translated as “building”, “housing”, “land”...
TIA
"SOSTRES I USOS DE SOSTRES"
terciari (600.000 m2)
habitatge (800.000 m2)
hoteler (100.000 m2)
Should "sostres" be translated as “building”, “housing”, “land”...
TIA
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | land space |
Martin Perazzo
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| 4 | plot |
Berni Armstrong
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| 4 | footprint [with qualifications] |
Heathcliff
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| 3 | built-up areas |
Sheila Hardie
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| 2 -1 | surface area |
Susana Galilea
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Proposed translations
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46 mins
Martin Perazzo
Spain
Spain
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Spain
Communication with a capital "C"!
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, Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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land space
Literally, it means the space under a roof, regardless of the number of floors a building may have. Barcelona urban planners began to use this term in the late '90s in reference to the Diagonal Mar and 22@ plans, establishing the requirement that for every Xm2 of land space for offices there had to be Xm2 of land space for dwellings, and Xm2 of land space for parks.
There being no exact translation, that's the way I have always translated it for both the Ajuntament and the Diputació (no complaints yet!).
HTH,
Martin
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Note added at 2003-03-09 12:25:23 (GMT)
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Sostre is NOT the same as surface area or square footage, which indicates the usable space inside a building. For instance, a building may have a surface area of 10,000 square meters yet only have 200 square meters of \"sostre\". This means that the building would be 50 stories high (50 x 200) but occupy only 200 square meters of land space.
There being no exact translation, that's the way I have always translated it for both the Ajuntament and the Diputació (no complaints yet!).
HTH,
Martin
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Note added at 2003-03-09 12:25:23 (GMT)
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Sostre is NOT the same as surface area or square footage, which indicates the usable space inside a building. For instance, a building may have a surface area of 10,000 square meters yet only have 200 square meters of \"sostre\". This means that the building would be 50 stories high (50 x 200) but occupy only 200 square meters of land space.
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Comment: "Thanks for your excellent explanation and suggested answer. Thanks also to everybody else who contributed. "
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58 mins
Susana Galilea
United States
United States
United States
Customized Translation Services ENG>SPA
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Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish
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69
surface area
Not sure at all, but from Martin's explanation this is what I would say. I don't know whether there is a coined term for this.
Resultaat zoekopdracht 2ndHome4U.com appartementen, villa's, ...
... Reference, : V-026 (2). Surface area, : 3739 m2. Building area, : 368 m2. Bedrooms,
: 7. ... Reference, : ap-025. Surface area, : m2. Building area, : 75 m2. Bedrooms,
: 1. ...
www.2ndhome4u.com/language/uk/top10.php3 - 69k - Cached - Similar pages
BANKRUPTCY COUNCIL OF THE COMMERCIAL COURT IN SPLIT
... Estate for sale: I). A) LAND – total surface area 12044 m2. ... 390, cadastral municipality
Lopud). B) BUILDINGS – total net surface area 10007 m2. (build. ...
www.mint.hr/bids/bid_hlopud_0102.htm - 41k - Cached - Similar pages
Resultaat zoekopdracht 2ndHome4U.com appartementen, villa's, ...
... Reference, : V-026 (2). Surface area, : 3739 m2. Building area, : 368 m2. Bedrooms,
: 7. ... Reference, : ap-025. Surface area, : m2. Building area, : 75 m2. Bedrooms,
: 1. ...
www.2ndhome4u.com/language/uk/top10.php3 - 69k - Cached - Similar pages
BANKRUPTCY COUNCIL OF THE COMMERCIAL COURT IN SPLIT
... Estate for sale: I). A) LAND – total surface area 12044 m2. ... 390, cadastral municipality
Lopud). B) BUILDINGS – total net surface area 10007 m2. (build. ...
www.mint.hr/bids/bid_hlopud_0102.htm - 41k - Cached - Similar pages
Peer comment(s):
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Martin Perazzo
: The surface area includes ALL floors on a building, while the "sostre" only includes the surface area of the land covered by the building. That is, a building can have a surface area of 10,000 sq. m., but the "sostre" can be only 200 sq. m.
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gracias por la aclaración, Martin
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2 hrs
Sheila Hardie
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
passion des mots
Native in: English
Works in: Catalan to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
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784
built-up areas
That's what it sounds like to me - but I may well be wrong.
HTH
Sheila
Contents: 06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory of ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Contents Overview. Stastical Base. Methodology. Review of the System of Land
Use Representation. Categories of the Map 06.01 "Actual Use of Built-up Areas". ...
www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/ umwelt/umweltatlas/ei601.htm - 36k - 7 Mar 2003 - En caché - Páginas similares
06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory of Green and ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Digital Environmental Atlas 06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory ... review
of the system of land use representation,; ascertainment and update of ...
www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/umwelt/ umweltatlas/ed601_03.htm - 32k - En caché - Páginas similares
[ Más resultados de www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de ]
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Note added at 2003-03-09 11:21:52 (GMT)
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Or perhaps even \'developed land\'?
Developed Land, by State, 1997 - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Description: This pie map shows developed land broken down into its three subcategories:
large urban and built-up areas, small built-up areas, and rural ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5803.html - 18k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 2003-03-09 11:32:34 (GMT)
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Buildable land is perhaps another possibility
According to the state’s Community, Trade and Economic Development department (CTED), buildable lands are, \"All vacant, partially-used, and under-utilized parcels that are: (a) designated for commercial, industrial, or residential use; (b) not intended for public use; and (c) not constrained by critical areas in a way that limits development potential and makes new construction on a parcel unfeasible.\" CTED goes on to define these parcels:
http://www.researchcouncil.org/Briefs/2001/ePB01-17/Growth8....
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Note added at 2003-03-09 12:42:44 (GMT)
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I think \'developable land\' englobes the idea of \'open spaces\', which includes parks etc. But perhaps it would be an idea to combine the two and say \'developable land and open/public spaces\'??? A bit convoluted, but then, maybe there just isn\'t a one-word equivalent!
Maybe I am wrong, but that\'s what it appears to me.
Some 28 hectares –or 23 per cent plus of the ***developable land*** of Docklands - will be allocated to ***open space*** in Docklands, and the waterways of Victoria Harbour, and the Yarra will be regenerated as a major focus for recreation, events and water activities.
The centrepiece of the Docklands open space network will be Docklands Park and Grand Plaza which together comprise over 5 hectares of ***public space*** in the heart of Docklands.
Other key public open spaces in Docklands include:
* over 7 kilometres of promenade averaging mostly 30 metres in width;
* restoration of the east bank of Moonee Ponds Creek to create a green park along the creek edge;
* Point Park at Yarra’s Edge; and,
* local parks and plazas in each precinct.
The strategy is a joint initiative of the Docklands Authority and the City of Melbourne.
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Note added at 2003-03-09 12:52:56 (GMT)
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Land cover
This may be a term that covers both buildable land and parks etc.
Please check the reference below for more information:
Developed land : A combination of land cover/use categories, Urban and built-up areas, and Rural Transportation Land.
Small built-up areas : A land cover/use category consisting of developed land units of 0.25 to 10 acres, meeting the definition of \"Urban and Built-up Areas\" (see definition). [NRI-97]
Urban and built-up areas : A Land Cover/Use category consisting of residential, industrial, commercial, and institutional land; construction sites; public administrative sites; railroad yards; cemeteries; airports; golf courses; sanitary landfills; sewage treatment plants; water control structures and spillways; other land used for such purposes; small parks (less than 10 acres) within urban and built-up areas; and highways, railroads, and other transportation facilities if they are surrounded by urban areas. Also included are tracts of less than 10 acres that do not meet the above definition but are completely surrounded by Urban and Built-up land. Two size categories are recognized in the NRI: (i) areas 0.25 to 10 acres, and (ii) areas greater than 10 acres. [NRI-97]
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5793.html
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Note added at 2003-03-09 12:54:56 (GMT)
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In fact, the most commonly used term appears to be: land cover/use
.
Land Cover/Use | State of the Land | NRCS - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... , Wildlife Biology. Land Cover/Use. More land use maps are located in the indicies
for specific land uses: ... Maps using 1992 and earlier data. Land Cover/Use. ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/cover_use.html - 16k - En caché - Páginas similares
Broad Land Cover/Use, by State, 1982 - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Product Title: Broad Land Cover/Use, by State, 1982. ... The pie slices reflect acres
of land in various land cover/use categories as a percent of the total area. ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5122.html - 23k - En caché - Páginas similares
[ Más resultados de www.nrcs.usda.gov ]
LUCC - Land-Use and Cover Change - [ Traduzca esta página ]
www.geo.ucl.ac.be/LUCC/ - 2k - En caché - Páginas similares
Land Cover/Use - Data Library - Upper Midwest Environmental ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
Data Library Land Cover/Use Data. 2000 Land Cover/Use (Long Term Resource Monitoring
Program); 1998 Land Cover/Use (Long Term Resource Monitoring Program); ...
www.umesc.usgs.gov/data_library/land_cover_use/ land_cover_use_data.html - 8k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 2003-03-09 13:07:54 (GMT)
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Before going on with my own work :-), I must finish obsessing about this term - it has really got my brain going!
After reading the reference I gave you for land cover/use above, I am now pretty convinced that \"urban and built-up areas\" would cover the term \'sostres\' - well, it does cover \'parks of less than 10 acres\', if that is what the term \'sostres\' implies.
I am sorry for rambling on like this - back to my own work now:-))
Land cover/use : A term that includes categories of land cover and categories of land use. Land cover is the vegetation or other kind of material that covers the land surface. Land use is the purpose of human activity on the land; it is usually but not always related to the land cover. The NRI uses the term (land cover/use) to identify the categories that account for all the surface area in the United States [BS-1982; NRI-97]
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5793.html
HTH
Sheila
Contents: 06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory of ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Contents Overview. Stastical Base. Methodology. Review of the System of Land
Use Representation. Categories of the Map 06.01 "Actual Use of Built-up Areas". ...
www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/ umwelt/umweltatlas/ei601.htm - 36k - 7 Mar 2003 - En caché - Páginas similares
06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory of Green and ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Digital Environmental Atlas 06.01 Actual Use of Built-up Areas / 06.02 Inventory ... review
of the system of land use representation,; ascertainment and update of ...
www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/umwelt/ umweltatlas/ed601_03.htm - 32k - En caché - Páginas similares
[ Más resultados de www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de ]
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Note added at 2003-03-09 11:21:52 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Or perhaps even \'developed land\'?
Developed Land, by State, 1997 - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Description: This pie map shows developed land broken down into its three subcategories:
large urban and built-up areas, small built-up areas, and rural ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5803.html - 18k - En caché - Páginas similares
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-09 11:32:34 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Buildable land is perhaps another possibility
According to the state’s Community, Trade and Economic Development department (CTED), buildable lands are, \"All vacant, partially-used, and under-utilized parcels that are: (a) designated for commercial, industrial, or residential use; (b) not intended for public use; and (c) not constrained by critical areas in a way that limits development potential and makes new construction on a parcel unfeasible.\" CTED goes on to define these parcels:
http://www.researchcouncil.org/Briefs/2001/ePB01-17/Growth8....
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-09 12:42:44 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I think \'developable land\' englobes the idea of \'open spaces\', which includes parks etc. But perhaps it would be an idea to combine the two and say \'developable land and open/public spaces\'??? A bit convoluted, but then, maybe there just isn\'t a one-word equivalent!
Maybe I am wrong, but that\'s what it appears to me.
Some 28 hectares –or 23 per cent plus of the ***developable land*** of Docklands - will be allocated to ***open space*** in Docklands, and the waterways of Victoria Harbour, and the Yarra will be regenerated as a major focus for recreation, events and water activities.
The centrepiece of the Docklands open space network will be Docklands Park and Grand Plaza which together comprise over 5 hectares of ***public space*** in the heart of Docklands.
Other key public open spaces in Docklands include:
* over 7 kilometres of promenade averaging mostly 30 metres in width;
* restoration of the east bank of Moonee Ponds Creek to create a green park along the creek edge;
* Point Park at Yarra’s Edge; and,
* local parks and plazas in each precinct.
The strategy is a joint initiative of the Docklands Authority and the City of Melbourne.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-09 12:52:56 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Land cover
This may be a term that covers both buildable land and parks etc.
Please check the reference below for more information:
Developed land : A combination of land cover/use categories, Urban and built-up areas, and Rural Transportation Land.
Small built-up areas : A land cover/use category consisting of developed land units of 0.25 to 10 acres, meeting the definition of \"Urban and Built-up Areas\" (see definition). [NRI-97]
Urban and built-up areas : A Land Cover/Use category consisting of residential, industrial, commercial, and institutional land; construction sites; public administrative sites; railroad yards; cemeteries; airports; golf courses; sanitary landfills; sewage treatment plants; water control structures and spillways; other land used for such purposes; small parks (less than 10 acres) within urban and built-up areas; and highways, railroads, and other transportation facilities if they are surrounded by urban areas. Also included are tracts of less than 10 acres that do not meet the above definition but are completely surrounded by Urban and Built-up land. Two size categories are recognized in the NRI: (i) areas 0.25 to 10 acres, and (ii) areas greater than 10 acres. [NRI-97]
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5793.html
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2003-03-09 12:54:56 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
In fact, the most commonly used term appears to be: land cover/use
.
Land Cover/Use | State of the Land | NRCS - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... , Wildlife Biology. Land Cover/Use. More land use maps are located in the indicies
for specific land uses: ... Maps using 1992 and earlier data. Land Cover/Use. ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/cover_use.html - 16k - En caché - Páginas similares
Broad Land Cover/Use, by State, 1982 - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... Product Title: Broad Land Cover/Use, by State, 1982. ... The pie slices reflect acres
of land in various land cover/use categories as a percent of the total area. ...
www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5122.html - 23k - En caché - Páginas similares
[ Más resultados de www.nrcs.usda.gov ]
LUCC - Land-Use and Cover Change - [ Traduzca esta página ]
www.geo.ucl.ac.be/LUCC/ - 2k - En caché - Páginas similares
Land Cover/Use - Data Library - Upper Midwest Environmental ... - [ Traduzca esta página ]
Data Library Land Cover/Use Data. 2000 Land Cover/Use (Long Term Resource Monitoring
Program); 1998 Land Cover/Use (Long Term Resource Monitoring Program); ...
www.umesc.usgs.gov/data_library/land_cover_use/ land_cover_use_data.html - 8k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 2003-03-09 13:07:54 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Before going on with my own work :-), I must finish obsessing about this term - it has really got my brain going!
After reading the reference I gave you for land cover/use above, I am now pretty convinced that \"urban and built-up areas\" would cover the term \'sostres\' - well, it does cover \'parks of less than 10 acres\', if that is what the term \'sostres\' implies.
I am sorry for rambling on like this - back to my own work now:-))
Land cover/use : A term that includes categories of land cover and categories of land use. Land cover is the vegetation or other kind of material that covers the land surface. Land use is the purpose of human activity on the land; it is usually but not always related to the land cover. The NRI uses the term (land cover/use) to identify the categories that account for all the surface area in the United States [BS-1982; NRI-97]
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/technical/land/meta/m5793.html
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Martin Perazzo
: But then it wouldn't include parkland, would it? "Sostre" does. Like I said in my answer, there's no exact translation for this buzzword.
1 hr
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thanks, Martin - I agree - BTW, does this idea of 'sostres' include football pitches? :-)))
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9 hrs
Berni Armstrong
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Never Missed a Deadline in 32 Years
Native in: English
Works in: English, Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
:
552
plot
wouldn't plot cover it?
Certainly when you buy property in Britain the total ground area available is referred to as the plot (or plot of land).
How does this use differ?
Berni
Certainly when you buy property in Britain the total ground area available is referred to as the plot (or plot of land).
How does this use differ?
Berni
17 hrs
Heathcliff
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Law, medicine, technology: prompt & pro
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, Portuguese to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
113
footprint [with qualifications]
That is, the surface area occupied by the plane of the first floor of the building, regardless (as suggested above) of the height of the building.
This term is also used in the computer industry, with reference to the amount of desk space a piece of hardware (usually a monitor or printer) occupies.
I'm not suggesting this as a literal term ("footprints and uses of footprints" would be awful), but rather as a pointer toward language that might be useful elsewhere in the project...
Cheers,
HC
This term is also used in the computer industry, with reference to the amount of desk space a piece of hardware (usually a monitor or printer) occupies.
I'm not suggesting this as a literal term ("footprints and uses of footprints" would be awful), but rather as a pointer toward language that might be useful elsewhere in the project...
Cheers,
HC
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Berni Armstrong
: New one on me :-) Footprint is also used for the area covered by a satellite.
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