Apr 2 09:44
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French term
appel de provisions sur charges
French to English
Bus/Financial
Real Estate
Writ of summons issued by Co-owners Association, due to co-owner (in fact 3 joint owners) having failed to pay service charges.
"Par ordonnance en date du 10 mai 2021, le Juge des référés les a solidairement condamnés à payer au Syndicat des Copropriétaires :
...
Non seulement ils n’ont jamais honoré les condamnations prononcées à leur encontre mais n’ont pas réglé la moindre charge depuis.
Ils sont débiteurs, au 23 mars 2024 d’une somme de 0.000 €, appel de provisions sur charges du 2ème trimestre 2024 inclus, répartie de la manière suivante :
Au titre des créances de toutes natures visées par les articles 19, 19-1 de la Loi du 10 juillet 1965 et 2402 du Code Civil :
Date Libellé Montant Solde
01/02/2021 Cotisation Fonds Travaux 01/02/2021 xxx €
01/02/2021 Appel provision 01/02/2021 xxx €
15/02/2021 Prov./Appel AAA 15/02/2021 xxx €
..."
(AAA is the surname of the miscreants).
There are one or two entries in the archives which are similar to this, but I've really yet to find a satisfactory English expression for it. I'm fairly sure that the main idea of provision in the French expression means "you're paying in advance". But appel is also a bit awkward for an English language similar context: we talk of "calls (for funds)" in an investment context... but in a service charge context?
In one archive entry the suggestion is to use "instalment". But an appel is quite different to an instalment it seems to me: you get an envelope (or email) saying "oy, pay this". You might half be expecting it, but it's not an instalment: the latter is always planned in advance and never a surprise.
It's quite possible that French "commonhold" ownership is so different to the English-law property system that we have to use a make-do term which is absolutely not found in this context in English-language documents.
"Par ordonnance en date du 10 mai 2021, le Juge des référés les a solidairement condamnés à payer au Syndicat des Copropriétaires :
...
Non seulement ils n’ont jamais honoré les condamnations prononcées à leur encontre mais n’ont pas réglé la moindre charge depuis.
Ils sont débiteurs, au 23 mars 2024 d’une somme de 0.000 €, appel de provisions sur charges du 2ème trimestre 2024 inclus, répartie de la manière suivante :
Au titre des créances de toutes natures visées par les articles 19, 19-1 de la Loi du 10 juillet 1965 et 2402 du Code Civil :
Date Libellé Montant Solde
01/02/2021 Cotisation Fonds Travaux 01/02/2021 xxx €
01/02/2021 Appel provision 01/02/2021 xxx €
15/02/2021 Prov./Appel AAA 15/02/2021 xxx €
..."
(AAA is the surname of the miscreants).
There are one or two entries in the archives which are similar to this, but I've really yet to find a satisfactory English expression for it. I'm fairly sure that the main idea of provision in the French expression means "you're paying in advance". But appel is also a bit awkward for an English language similar context: we talk of "calls (for funds)" in an investment context... but in a service charge context?
In one archive entry the suggestion is to use "instalment". But an appel is quite different to an instalment it seems to me: you get an envelope (or email) saying "oy, pay this". You might half be expecting it, but it's not an instalment: the latter is always planned in advance and never a surprise.
It's quite possible that French "commonhold" ownership is so different to the English-law property system that we have to use a make-do term which is absolutely not found in this context in English-language documents.
Proposed translations
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call for payment of advances on service charges
Management company asking for 3 years advance service ...
Property118
https://www.property118.com › management-company-a...
19 Jan 2024 — The Management company of the block he is buying the flat in is asking for 3 years advance service charge on top of the regular service payments ...
Reasonableness of advance service charges when ...
KDL Law
https://www.kdllaw.com › legal-updates › reasonablene...
1 Nov 2018 — Section 19 (2) of the LTA 1985 states that “where a service charge is payable before the relevant costs are incurred, no greater amount than is ...
Property118
https://www.property118.com › management-company-a...
19 Jan 2024 — The Management company of the block he is buying the flat in is asking for 3 years advance service charge on top of the regular service payments ...
Reasonableness of advance service charges when ...
KDL Law
https://www.kdllaw.com › legal-updates › reasonablene...
1 Nov 2018 — Section 19 (2) of the LTA 1985 states that “where a service charge is payable before the relevant costs are incurred, no greater amount than is ...
Peer comment(s):
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SafeTex
: More than "service" charges. See my remark in the discussion
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Well I was trying to find a catch-all; perhaps "charges" would be better
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philgoddard
: As Mpoma says, 'call for' doesn't really work in this context.
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It's a call/request/demand for payment, quite simply and it needs to be translated in order to make sense of the sentence
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Daryo
: or request // I really can't see how a "request for (payment or whatever else)" can become just a "payment (whatever else)" // I must've gone to l'école buissonnière the day of that lesson in alternative logic.
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thanks
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Francois Boye
: provision doesn't mean advance payment
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I did not suggest advance payment but "payment of advance on service charges" which isn't the same thing
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Thanks Yvonne
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
51 mins
application (as requisitioned) for instal(l)ment payments on account of service charges
Ils sont débiteurs, au 23 mars 2024 d’une somme de 0.000 €, appel de provisions sur charges du 2ème trimestre 2024 inclus, répartie de la manière suivante :
They are liable, as at the .... for a sum of .., as requisitioned for payments on a/c of service charges for the 2nd. quarter of 2024 inclusive, (BrE:) apportioned (AmE:) allocated in manner following / as follows.
Notes. 1. my own West London commonhold service charge refers to application (sometimes request) for payment with the service charge deficit (= defaulters' shortfall) apportioned between the rest of us 'long leaseholders' (with leases extended from 99 to 999 years and a 'share of the freehold' = commonholders).
2. call for funds or payments IMO fits better the context of company shares or, as the asker suggests, investment schemes.
They are liable, as at the .... for a sum of .., as requisitioned for payments on a/c of service charges for the 2nd. quarter of 2024 inclusive, (BrE:) apportioned (AmE:) allocated in manner following / as follows.
Notes. 1. my own West London commonhold service charge refers to application (sometimes request) for payment with the service charge deficit (= defaulters' shortfall) apportioned between the rest of us 'long leaseholders' (with leases extended from 99 to 999 years and a 'share of the freehold' = commonholders).
2. call for funds or payments IMO fits better the context of company shares or, as the asker suggests, investment schemes.
Example sentence:
A requisition is a demand or request for a service or item, typically using a purchase requisition form or another standardized document.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: In my experience of translating docs for a French co-ownership these have usually been one-off additional prepayments rather than instalments
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prepayments of charges
Usually in a commercial lease, estimated service charges are payable in advance as a provision, and adjusted later to reflect the actual figures. But 'charges' is nice and vague, because it could cover rent as well.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: OK but you still need to cover "appel"
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No, you don't. There may or may not be an invoice involved, but here they're just talking about the amount due, which the defendant hasn't paid. But thanks for the agree.
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Daryo
: If you ignore the "appel de ..." part, you distort the ST beyond recognition + there is nothing "vague" in this ST this "appel de ..." has nothing to do with the rent.
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Call for provisions for service charges
Provisions for charges refer to an estimate of the rental charges that the tenant pays monthly in addition to the rent.
These charges cover expenses related to the use of the property and communal services, such as heating, water, and maintenance of common areas.
An adjustment is made to align the provisions paid with the actual expenses, resulting in a reimbursement or an additional payment by the tenant.
Example: Sophie pays rent of €550 per month, with a €50 provision for service charges. At the end of the year, it turns out that the actual charges amount to €40. At the end of the contract or the year, the landlord will reimburse her €10 x 12 = €120.
These charges cover expenses related to the use of the property and communal services, such as heating, water, and maintenance of common areas.
An adjustment is made to align the provisions paid with the actual expenses, resulting in a reimbursement or an additional payment by the tenant.
Example: Sophie pays rent of €550 per month, with a €50 provision for service charges. At the end of the year, it turns out that the actual charges amount to €40. At the end of the contract or the year, the landlord will reimburse her €10 x 12 = €120.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: Isn't this just a minor rewording of my answer? provisions=advance payments, no?
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provision is an accounting concept that does not mean advance payment
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philgoddard
: This is not about accounting, and it does mean advance payment.
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The concept of provision is an accounting concept
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Reference comments
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Reference:
see
https://arc-copro.fr/documentation/provisions-avances-cotisa...
L’article 35-1 du décret du 17 mars 1967 permet au syndic d’appeler auprès des copropriétaires principalement trois types de fonds.
Il s’agit des provisions pour charges, des avances, ainsi que des cotisations.
Chacun de ces trois types d’appels de fonds répond à une définition légale, ce qui implique des conséquences juridiques et comptables.
Voyons les principales particularités de ces trois types d’appels de fonds.
I. les provisions de charges.
Que ce soit en matière de dépense courante ou de travaux votés, l’assemblée générale valide dans un premier temps un budget.
C’est sur la base de ce budget que le syndic est en mesure d’appeler les charges auprès de chacun des copropriétaires en fonction de leurs tantièmes.
Ces provisions sont exigibles puisque l’assemblée générale a voté un budget prévisionnel de charges courantes ou de travaux.
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https://www.multitran.com/fr/dictionnaire/francais-anglais/a...
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Les charges spéciales En plus des charges courantes de copropriété, votre appel de fonds du syndic peut comporter des charges spéciales
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/accounting/3632...
I think it is more than "service charges"
L’article 35-1 du décret du 17 mars 1967 permet au syndic d’appeler auprès des copropriétaires principalement trois types de fonds.
Il s’agit des provisions pour charges, des avances, ainsi que des cotisations.
Chacun de ces trois types d’appels de fonds répond à une définition légale, ce qui implique des conséquences juridiques et comptables.
Voyons les principales particularités de ces trois types d’appels de fonds.
I. les provisions de charges.
Que ce soit en matière de dépense courante ou de travaux votés, l’assemblée générale valide dans un premier temps un budget.
C’est sur la base de ce budget que le syndic est en mesure d’appeler les charges auprès de chacun des copropriétaires en fonction de leurs tantièmes.
Ces provisions sont exigibles puisque l’assemblée générale a voté un budget prévisionnel de charges courantes ou de travaux.
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Note added at 2 godz. (2024-04-02 12:14:27 GMT)
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https://www.multitran.com/fr/dictionnaire/francais-anglais/a...
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Note added at 2 godz. (2024-04-02 12:16:35 GMT)
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Les charges spéciales En plus des charges courantes de copropriété, votre appel de fonds du syndic peut comporter des charges spéciales
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Note added at 2 godz. (2024-04-02 12:18:04 GMT)
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https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/accounting/3632...
I think it is more than "service charges"
Discussion
appel de provisions sur charges du 2ème trimestre 2024 inclus
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including the advances on service charges requested for the second quarter of 2024
Money matters are not some inconsequential chit-chat - personally I prefer to stay close to the ST and not replace anything explicitly stated by some "implicit meaning" open to uncertain (mis)interpretation.
But yes, I do think we skip "appel" iteself.
Let's assume the 'appel' is an invoice. How is
'They did not pay the charges for the second quarter'
different from
'They did not pay the invoice for the charges for the second quarter'?
I digress a little. If this money is owed, and you state as much, and there is an attached list including this figure in AAA's total debt, do you need to make a song and dance about the word "appel" per se? There would have been some kind of request/demand/invoice/bill for all the money they owe. If nothing fits neatly, I think you can justify the notion it is very much implied by whatever else you put.
I'm not entirely convinced by your objection because "service charge" is something of a euphemism in the UK context: it does in fact cover any and all charges extracted from the leaseholders in a leasehold property, for any and all purposes. If you are from the US or Canada your objection might be more legitimate: if so, is there a catch-all term which you can think of (e.g. "charges", as suggested by AT)? In fact I see from your profile that you're from the UK...
I live in France and was a condominium owner manager for years, and I'm sure that this is not just for service charges
The French lists the following
01/02/2021 Cotisation Fonds Travaux 01/02/2021 xxx €
01/02/2021 Appel provision 01/02/2021 xxx €
15/02/2021 Prov./Appel AAA 15/02/2021 xxx €
The first entry is a sum we pay so that there are funds available for anything, including emergencies of any nature, rather than regular service charges.
The third entry is probably a project (AAA) voted by an AG and would normally be a building project or the replacement of old equipment.