Jan 5, 2012 17:40
12 yrs ago
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The demonym of Valparaíso?
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As in the sentence "The people of Valparaíso then sent a mission to Drake."
I am looking for a word such as "Porteños" for Buenos Aireans or Mancunians for the people of Manchester. Perhaps there is such a word (a Spanish word that would "travel well" in English), and perhaps there is not, and the demonym is simply "Valparaísans." Do, please, tell!
Many thanks in advance!
I am looking for a word such as "Porteños" for Buenos Aireans or Mancunians for the people of Manchester. Perhaps there is such a word (a Spanish word that would "travel well" in English), and perhaps there is not, and the demonym is simply "Valparaísans." Do, please, tell!
Many thanks in advance!
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3 +2 | Valparisian | Helena Chavarria |
4 | Valpino | Charles Davis |
3 | people of Valparaíso | DLyons |
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Valparisian
I've just found this. I don't know, but I feel an "i" needs to be added to "Valparisan": Parisian, Russian, etc.
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We spent 5 days here just chilling and walking round the town from the wonderful markets and the close by Vino del Mar - billed as the place the Valparisians go to ‘play’!
http://www.lionel-adams.co.uk/travel/category/chile/
But as a daily rule of thumb, local Valparisians often begin their day with la sopa marina, a hodgepodge of shellfish and seafood served in a seaweed, garlic and onion broth. More often than not, one can find little pieces of chicken or chorizo added to the mix. Served at many picadas and typical low budget Valparisian restaurants, non-native seafood lovers might find this local delicacy (running between CP$1,500-2,500, or US$3-5), a challenge.
http://www.santiagomagazine.cl/food/outside-santiago/00365-v...
I admit these are modern-day examples and I appreciate my suggestion might not suit what you're looking for.
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Here's an interesting article: http://3w.lun.com/modulos/catalogo/mobile/detailNew.asp?idNo...
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We spent 5 days here just chilling and walking round the town from the wonderful markets and the close by Vino del Mar - billed as the place the Valparisians go to ‘play’!
http://www.lionel-adams.co.uk/travel/category/chile/
But as a daily rule of thumb, local Valparisians often begin their day with la sopa marina, a hodgepodge of shellfish and seafood served in a seaweed, garlic and onion broth. More often than not, one can find little pieces of chicken or chorizo added to the mix. Served at many picadas and typical low budget Valparisian restaurants, non-native seafood lovers might find this local delicacy (running between CP$1,500-2,500, or US$3-5), a challenge.
http://www.santiagomagazine.cl/food/outside-santiago/00365-v...
I admit these are modern-day examples and I appreciate my suggestion might not suit what you're looking for.
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Here's an interesting article: http://3w.lun.com/modulos/catalogo/mobile/detailNew.asp?idNo...
Note from asker:
Thank you, Helena. You couldn't possibly give me the original Spanish for "Valparisan"/"Valparisian", could you? A growing trend in English is to borrow such words lock-stock-and-barrel, as witnessed, for instance, by "Sarajlije" ("a native of Sarajevo"). It might just work better than anything else... |
¿Porteños, valparaisinos o valpinos? :) :) :) Thanks! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I wish to thank all answerers, since all came up with what I was after. What Helena did was give me some additional reading to confirm pros and cons for myself."
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people of Valparaíso
This seems to be best for your audience. The gentilicio is "Porteño" but, as you say, that doesn't travel well! "Valparaisians" sounds very ungainly to me (with or without an accened "i").
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Maybe something like "the people of the port of Valparaíso, hence known in Chile as 'porteños', ..."would work then?
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Maybe something like "the people of the port of Valparaíso, hence known in Chile as 'porteños', ..."would work then?
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Note from asker:
Thank you. I wanted to inject a note of "exoticism" which would be in keeping with the general tilt of the story. |
" La Real Academia Española les da la razón a los que se quejan. Una de las acepciones de “porteño” es “natural de Valparaíso, ciudad de Chile”. " Thanks! |
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Valpino
In Spanish it would be "valpino", without an initial capital. And "valpinos" in the plural, of course.
To my mind the standard option in English is the one you mention: Valparaisan. This is the most common form and occurs in what look like respectable published sources. Valparaisian is rather less usual, and the extra i after the s seems awkward and unnecessary to me. And with great respect to Helena I find Valparisian unconvincing; it doesn't have any real authority, it sounds too much like "Parisian" and it distorts the place name (it's not Valpariso but Valparaíso).
However, if you'd really like a Spanish term, I think "valpino" is an interesting option. The standard term, as has been said, is "porteño", but that's ambiguous (also applying to Buenos Aires, for example) and unless Valparaíso has been mentioned already it won't be understood. "Valparaisino" is correct in theory, but no one seems to like it or use it much. However, some people who actually come from Valparaíso claim that "valpino" is an authentic alternative to "porteño". It is close enough to the place name to be identifiable, but unusual enough to be interesting. Worth considering, I'd say.
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"Memoria de un Valpino
Chile,Valparaíso,
Parque Italia, Enero 2008"
http://ronaldvalpo.blogspot.com/2008/01/memoria-de-un-valpin...
An infamous son of Valparaíso was Pinochet; this biographical sketch refers to his "terruño valpino" (Valparaisan homeland)
http://www.cidob.org/es/content/pdf/1964
"Nome abitanti: Porteño/a, Valpino/a"
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Kazu89/Valparaíso
This blog is on "gentilicios" (demonyms, as you say) with particular reference to Valparaíso. It starts by pointing out the problem with "porteño": it applies to many other places as well, notably Buenos Aires:
"Con motivo de mi visita a la preciosa ciudad de Valparaíso (Chile), me enteré de que sus habitantes se conocen como porteños [...]"
In one of the replies, a woman born and bred in Valparaíso says that her schoolmistress insisted the correct form was "valpino/a":
"Hola, soy nacida y criada en la hermosa ciudad de Valparaíso y cuando estudié mi educación básica, mi maestra, una de esas fantásticas profesoras normalistas de antaño, nos enseñó que el gentilicio para la gente nacida en nuestra ciudad era valpino-valpina"
http://jamillan.com/lengua/2009/04/26/portenos-y-otros-genti...
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I may say that Spanish "gentilicios"/demonyms are quite often unpredictable, not to say downright weird, and locals tend to be endearingly proud of them. A form like "valpino", rather than the more obvious "valparaisino", is in the spirit of this phenomenon.
To my mind the standard option in English is the one you mention: Valparaisan. This is the most common form and occurs in what look like respectable published sources. Valparaisian is rather less usual, and the extra i after the s seems awkward and unnecessary to me. And with great respect to Helena I find Valparisian unconvincing; it doesn't have any real authority, it sounds too much like "Parisian" and it distorts the place name (it's not Valpariso but Valparaíso).
However, if you'd really like a Spanish term, I think "valpino" is an interesting option. The standard term, as has been said, is "porteño", but that's ambiguous (also applying to Buenos Aires, for example) and unless Valparaíso has been mentioned already it won't be understood. "Valparaisino" is correct in theory, but no one seems to like it or use it much. However, some people who actually come from Valparaíso claim that "valpino" is an authentic alternative to "porteño". It is close enough to the place name to be identifiable, but unusual enough to be interesting. Worth considering, I'd say.
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"Memoria de un Valpino
Chile,Valparaíso,
Parque Italia, Enero 2008"
http://ronaldvalpo.blogspot.com/2008/01/memoria-de-un-valpin...
An infamous son of Valparaíso was Pinochet; this biographical sketch refers to his "terruño valpino" (Valparaisan homeland)
http://www.cidob.org/es/content/pdf/1964
"Nome abitanti: Porteño/a, Valpino/a"
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Kazu89/Valparaíso
This blog is on "gentilicios" (demonyms, as you say) with particular reference to Valparaíso. It starts by pointing out the problem with "porteño": it applies to many other places as well, notably Buenos Aires:
"Con motivo de mi visita a la preciosa ciudad de Valparaíso (Chile), me enteré de que sus habitantes se conocen como porteños [...]"
In one of the replies, a woman born and bred in Valparaíso says that her schoolmistress insisted the correct form was "valpino/a":
"Hola, soy nacida y criada en la hermosa ciudad de Valparaíso y cuando estudié mi educación básica, mi maestra, una de esas fantásticas profesoras normalistas de antaño, nos enseñó que el gentilicio para la gente nacida en nuestra ciudad era valpino-valpina"
http://jamillan.com/lengua/2009/04/26/portenos-y-otros-genti...
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I may say that Spanish "gentilicios"/demonyms are quite often unpredictable, not to say downright weird, and locals tend to be endearingly proud of them. A form like "valpino", rather than the more obvious "valparaisino", is in the spirit of this phenomenon.
Peer comment(s):
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Helena Chavarria
: Maybe you're right but there's a place called Valpino en Guatemala and a valpino is also a breed of dog: http://mysteriousnessness.deviantart.com/art/Nally-195162727
Charles, your suggestion is right but there are four ways of expressing the term!
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If Peter puts "Valpinos", with an initial capital, there will no possible confusion. I only suggested it because he seems to fancy something Spanish. // Sure! But this is the one I'd recommend.
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Discussion
At any rate, it is the term for Valparaisans that I am after -- not how odd the words "demonym" or "gentilic" are :)