Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
pictorisismo académico
English translation:
" academic pictoricism "
Added to glossary by
eski
Aug 25, 2008 15:15
15 yrs ago
Spanish term
"La Susana es toda una profesional"
Native in: English 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
pictorisismo académico
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Diego Rivera
Pictorisismo had only 3 hits on google, none of which explained it. Anyone know?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | " academic pictoricism " |
eski
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| 4 | painterly academic style |
Robert Forstag
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| 3 +1 | academic pictorialism |
Patricia Rosas
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| 3 | Pirctorical academic movement |
Marian Jaén
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| 2 | academic picture view |
savaria (X)
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Proposed translations
3 hrs
Selected
" academic pictoricism "
Consider the following:
another of Solimena's followers, with whom he shares the neo-baroque brightness in his compositions and the marked pictoricism, Cestaro probably reaches ...
www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_biog... - 11k - En caché - Páginas similares
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LUSSEMBURGO, Luxembourg, --- MESSICO, Mexico City, --- NORVEGIA, Lofoten islands .... night-outs, portraits, etc., always showing high pictoricism. ...
www.undo.net/cgi-bin/undo/pressrelease/pressrelease.pl?id=1... - 79k - En caché - Páginas similares
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She does not define such vague concepts as "pictoricism" and poetica manieristica. And despite her claim to see stylistic changes from one period to the ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-3079(197106)53%3A2%3C250%3AGC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-I
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'Symbolism and description, memories, misty impressions, of childhood, pictoricism, sentimentalism: all this must be absolutely excluded' (Piero Manzoni, ...
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=15946337... - 36k -
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Note: I think the description at the "Sotheby" link is particularly insightful.
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Moreover the whole painting wavers between the distant legacy of early Venetian Renaissance art and the intense pictoricism that emerged with Titian's ...
www.ambrosiana.it/Ing/pinacoteca_sala_dett.asp?pagina=8&sal... - 21k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note to Susan:Will try to dig a little deeper-eski
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El pictoricismo también impregna el lentísimo travelling de los dos ...... Fotografía: Los retratos de Frida Kahlo (1); Fotografía: Marcos López (1) ...
lacosastessa.blogspot.com/2008/05/video-el-videoarte-abraza-la-pintura.html - 400k -
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Espacio que alude a su amplitud horizontal y mural como atmósfera ... dimensión del muro, es decir de la frontalidad u de un cierto pictoricismo, que de la ...
c5coleccion.com/artistas/herranz/conversacion.pdf - Páginas similares
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Dicho pictoricismo comienza por una valoración de los contrastes entre luces y sombras. Cap 3, De la escena central, del perspectivismo exaltado y de la ...
www.wikilearning.com/monografias/definicion_valoracion_carg... - 57k - En caché - Páginas similares
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una transformación estilística basada en el pictoricismo, la construcción en profundidad, la forma abierta, la unidad y la relación de los componentes. ...
www.liceus.com/cgi-bin/aco/ar/04/04420.asp - 30k - En caché - Páginas similares
another of Solimena's followers, with whom he shares the neo-baroque brightness in his compositions and the marked pictoricism, Cestaro probably reaches ...
www.museothyssen.org/thyssen_ing/coleccion/obras_ficha_biog... - 11k - En caché - Páginas similares
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LUSSEMBURGO, Luxembourg, --- MESSICO, Mexico City, --- NORVEGIA, Lofoten islands .... night-outs, portraits, etc., always showing high pictoricism. ...
www.undo.net/cgi-bin/undo/pressrelease/pressrelease.pl?id=1... - 79k - En caché - Páginas similares
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She does not define such vague concepts as "pictoricism" and poetica manieristica. And despite her claim to see stylistic changes from one period to the ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-3079(197106)53%3A2%3C250%3AGC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-I
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'Symbolism and description, memories, misty impressions, of childhood, pictoricism, sentimentalism: all this must be absolutely excluded' (Piero Manzoni, ...
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=15946337... - 36k -
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 18:29:53 GMT)
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Note: I think the description at the "Sotheby" link is particularly insightful.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 18:48:36 GMT)
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Moreover the whole painting wavers between the distant legacy of early Venetian Renaissance art and the intense pictoricism that emerged with Titian's ...
www.ambrosiana.it/Ing/pinacoteca_sala_dett.asp?pagina=8&sal... - 21k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 18:51:05 GMT)
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Note to Susan:Will try to dig a little deeper-eski
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 18:55:03 GMT)
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El pictoricismo también impregna el lentísimo travelling de los dos ...... Fotografía: Los retratos de Frida Kahlo (1); Fotografía: Marcos López (1) ...
lacosastessa.blogspot.com/2008/05/video-el-videoarte-abraza-la-pintura.html - 400k -
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 18:57:52 GMT)
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Espacio que alude a su amplitud horizontal y mural como atmósfera ... dimensión del muro, es decir de la frontalidad u de un cierto pictoricismo, que de la ...
c5coleccion.com/artistas/herranz/conversacion.pdf - Páginas similares
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 19:01:03 GMT)
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Dicho pictoricismo comienza por una valoración de los contrastes entre luces y sombras. Cap 3, De la escena central, del perspectivismo exaltado y de la ...
www.wikilearning.com/monografias/definicion_valoracion_carg... - 57k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 19:02:51 GMT)
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una transformación estilística basada en el pictoricismo, la construcción en profundidad, la forma abierta, la unidad y la relación de los componentes. ...
www.liceus.com/cgi-bin/aco/ar/04/04420.asp - 30k - En caché - Páginas similares
Note from asker:
| Those sound pretty convincing. That would mean pretty much "don't define the vague concept if there is an equally vague cognate." :) Thanks! This may be the best choice yet. |
| These are great- they definitely argue for "pictoricism" rather than assuming "pictorialism". They are also so slippery that I am leaning more than ever to the cognate. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks so much- this is what I used."
18 mins
Marian Jaén
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Spain
All is possible in that life
Native in: Spanish 
Works in: Spanish to English, German to Spanish, Valencia to Spanish, and 3 more.
Pirctorical academic movement
Mirando en diferentes diccionarios y traductores, y teniendo en cuenta que cuando hablamos de pictorismo nos referimos a diferentes maneras de ver el arte, yo me incliraria por este.
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Yes, it could be. I didn´t realise it
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Note added at 48 minutos (2008-08-25 16:03:23 GMT)
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Yes, it could be. I didn´t realise it
Note from asker:
| What do you think of the translation I just proposed in the note to Patricia? It seems to incorporate your definition and her broad one for pictorialismo. |
| Thanks- is there an "academic" movement in Mexican fine art? |
| Thanks for helping! :) |
1 hr
Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
134
painterly academic style
This would seem to fit better than the other choices offered. See reference. Other similar hits on Yahoo as well.
Suerte.
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Hi Susan:
Enter the phrase in quotes on Google, and you will see six different references. I know this doesn't constitute overwhelming support for my suggestion, but the wording I propose seems an improvement over the other three answers offered thus far. :)
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Whoops. I just took a closer look at the 6 Google references, and 3 of them are to the selfsame Encarta article that I previously cited. Perhaps this is not a good solution after all......
Sorry.
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If the reference is to a "style" rather than a "movement" then my suggestion might work. The suffix -ism in English often refers to a movement or more or less coherent way of thinking, whereas "-ismo" in Spanish can frequently refer to a style.
I wish I knew more about the subject, but I dropped out of Art History as a sophomore, and I've been trying to catch up ever since.... :)
Suerte.
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Hi Susan:
Enter the phrase in quotes on Google, and you will see six different references. I know this doesn't constitute overwhelming support for my suggestion, but the wording I propose seems an improvement over the other three answers offered thus far. :)
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Whoops. I just took a closer look at the 6 Google references, and 3 of them are to the selfsame Encarta article that I previously cited. Perhaps this is not a good solution after all......
Sorry.
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If the reference is to a "style" rather than a "movement" then my suggestion might work. The suffix -ism in English often refers to a movement or more or less coherent way of thinking, whereas "-ismo" in Spanish can frequently refer to a style.
I wish I knew more about the subject, but I dropped out of Art History as a sophomore, and I've been trying to catch up ever since.... :)
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Thanks-- so far I couldn't get to the Encarta for some reason, and the Yahoo search just turned up one reference in an article on architecture... I'm still not sure. |
| Hi Robert- yes, I just took a look at them and it seemed to me that 5 out of 6 were the same article reprinted on different sites- or at least the same quote. It seems possible nevertheless that it is a good translation- were you able to link it to "pictorisismo"? |
| Thanks for helping! |
8 mins
academic picture view
Pictorisismo total : el punto de vista brinda una posibilidad infinita en las dimensiones de color, movimiento, ritmo, multiplicidad de formas, etc
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why?
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I mean,it is well used in -for example- photoshop language.
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why?
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I mean,it is well used in -for example- photoshop language.
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Yes, that was one of the 3 google hits- but picture view sounds awkward to me... |
| Ah. Well, I suppose it seemed odd in the context of painting. |
| Thanks for helping! |
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15 mins
Patricia Rosas
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
servicios para autores académicos
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
56
academic pictorialism
without any context, I can't be sure, but I think this may be a typo for pictorialismo. Pictorialism has 2 meanings "a movement or technique in photography emphasizing artificial often romanticized pictorial qualities" and more broadly, "the use or creation of pictures or visual images".
.. but its spirit of 'activism' was relevant: 'Neither abstract art nor academic pictorialism are satisfactory means to embody the social struggle of our ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0300092202
This Wikipedia article explains it, and you can decide if it fits your context:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialismo
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That sounds like a possibility to me. I'd rephrase the final words: his teachers' academic approach to painting." Can you tell us what Rivera's paintings reflected in this particular period? I recently did a book on his portrait painting, but I don't recall anyone talking about his work being "academic" (far from it)! Good luck!!
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the book I translated says. "Like the rest of his work, the portraits of Diego can be classified into distinct categories. This volume contains those from his formative years, the time spent at the San Carlos Academy, and they are the output from drawing classes in which he had to copy from friends as well as classes in decorative drawing." So, I'd say that possibly yes, your text means precisely that--academic (from Merriam-Webster's: of, belonging to, or associated with an academy or school especially of higher learning <the academic curriculum> <academic interests> b : formed by school training . . . But do wait to here from more people, because I'm surmising all of this and am not certain I've got it right.
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Ooops! I dictated the above passage and there is an error: "in which he had to copy from PRINTS as well as take classes in ..."
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Note added at 2 days8 hrs (2008-08-27 23:58:04 GMT) Post-grading
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I totally agree with you: Better safe than sorry LOL
Good luck!
.. but its spirit of 'activism' was relevant: 'Neither abstract art nor academic pictorialism are satisfactory means to embody the social struggle of our ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0300092202
This Wikipedia article explains it, and you can decide if it fits your context:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialismo
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That sounds like a possibility to me. I'd rephrase the final words: his teachers' academic approach to painting." Can you tell us what Rivera's paintings reflected in this particular period? I recently did a book on his portrait painting, but I don't recall anyone talking about his work being "academic" (far from it)! Good luck!!
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the book I translated says. "Like the rest of his work, the portraits of Diego can be classified into distinct categories. This volume contains those from his formative years, the time spent at the San Carlos Academy, and they are the output from drawing classes in which he had to copy from friends as well as classes in decorative drawing." So, I'd say that possibly yes, your text means precisely that--academic (from Merriam-Webster's: of, belonging to, or associated with an academy or school especially of higher learning <the academic curriculum> <academic interests> b : formed by school training . . . But do wait to here from more people, because I'm surmising all of this and am not certain I've got it right.
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Ooops! I dictated the above passage and there is an error: "in which he had to copy from PRINTS as well as take classes in ..."
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Note added at 2 days8 hrs (2008-08-27 23:58:04 GMT) Post-grading
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I totally agree with you: Better safe than sorry LOL
Good luck!
Note from asker:
| "...la obra de esta fase está fuertemente marcada por el pictorisismo académico de sus maestros." Let me try... The works of this period are strongly influenced by his professors' academic approach to the making of pictures." Hows that? |
| They don't mention any particular works, and I'm pretty much only familiar with his murals, but this seems to be at the very beginning of his artistic life- before his scholarship to study in Madrid. Seems reasonable that he might have had more influrence from his teachers at that stage... Does "academic" mean something different from the standard definition in the context of Mexican fine art? |
| That is a helpful quote- I'm leaning toward this interpretation of the meaning unless I hear something more convincing. :) |
| Thanks so much for your help- I finally decided on what seemed like the safe approach, since I am not sure that pictoricism and pictorialism ar the same thing. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Enrique Reyes
: Academic pictorialism: Check this. Are you sure is pictorisismo or pictorialismo?. Pictorialismo Académico: http://www.answers.com/topic/pictorialism
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my doubt is that this is talking about Diego Rivera, a painter and not a photographer, but thanks for the agree ...
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