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Susan Welsh 
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There has been so much fussing lately about "no context" in Kudoz questions, with draconian measures being proposed, possibly up to and including execution of the guilty party on a public square.
I suggest that when an asker asks a question, a screen come up that specifically asks the user to supply adequate context. Similar to what now comes up when a user wants to change a question from PRO to NON-PRO (Are you sure? Can this really be answered by a bilingual non-specialist withou... See more There has been so much fussing lately about "no context" in Kudoz questions, with draconian measures being proposed, possibly up to and including execution of the guilty party on a public square.
I suggest that when an asker asks a question, a screen come up that specifically asks the user to supply adequate context. Similar to what now comes up when a user wants to change a question from PRO to NON-PRO (Are you sure? Can this really be answered by a bilingual non-specialist without a dictionary?)
I think that most people who provide inadequate context are not just lazy, but are either new to the game and don't know how it is supposed to work, or think they have provided enough context, but don't realize that they haven't (this has happened to me on occasion)--sometimes because they don't understand the sentence at all. Sometimes they think there is no context, as in a certificate or a list of terms. (But as others have pointed out, even there, there is a context--such as other things that are on the certificate, what type of person is being described, etc.)
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| | | | | Existing message will be improved | Mar 20, 2010 |
Hello Susan,
The KudoZ question form contains a message explaining what should be (and should't be) included in the "Explanation / More about term" field for a question:
As much explanation as possible should be entered for the term. Consider including: type of document/situation, country and dialect, URLs, translations you are considering, etc.
Do not post any sensitive or confidential information in this form.
I agree that this message could be improved though. Let me see what can be done.
Hope you are having a great weekend!
Kind regards,
Lucia
| | | | Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 09:26
Russian to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Reply to Lucia | Mar 20, 2010 |
It is true that the asker forum says this, but it is in small (albeit colored) type--the sort of "fine print" that it is easy for people to ignore. I suggest that a separate screen, as in the PRO/NON-PRO mentioned above, would draw more attention to it, and the ongoing fracas would calm down.
Thanks
| | | | | Not sure about a separate screen but it will be checked | Mar 20, 2010 |
I am not sure about a separate screen will be possible for this since adding a confirmation step for the completion of the "Explanation" field (as the one available for KudoZ re-classification) would make the posting of questions a complicated process (remember there is also a confirmation step before posting the question, once the question form has been completed in full).
However, it should be possible to make such message more visible in the form. I will check all available optio... See more I am not sure about a separate screen will be possible for this since adding a confirmation step for the completion of the "Explanation" field (as the one available for KudoZ re-classification) would make the posting of questions a complicated process (remember there is also a confirmation step before posting the question, once the question form has been completed in full).
However, it should be possible to make such message more visible in the form. I will check all available options and make sure the most effective one is the one applied.
Thanks for the feedback!
Regards,
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| On a related note | Mar 20, 2010 |
Susan Welsh wrote:
I suggest that when an asker asks a question, a screen come up that specifically asks the user to supply adequate context. Similar to what now comes up when a user wants to change a question from PRO to NON-PRO (Are you sure? Can this really be answered by a bilingual non-specialist without a dictionary?)
On a related note, didn't a screen used to appear when an asker submits a question that has already been answered (in many cases several times) and is readily available in the KudoZ archives? If I remember correctly, there was a time when an asker would then be directed to the glossary and other sources. This is no longer the case. Try entering Geschäftsbedingungen (terms of business) for a German to English question.
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Kim Metzger wrote:
On a related note, didn't a screen used to appear when an asker submits a question that has already been answered (in many cases several times) and is readily available in the KudoZ archives? If I remember correctly, there was a time when an asker would then be directed to the glossary and other sources. This is no longer the case. Try entering Geschäftsbedingungen (terms of business) for a German to English question.
Hello Kim,
I am not sure about such screen or message but let me check and get back to you.
Regards,
Lucia
| | | | Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 09:26
Russian to English
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TOPIC STARTER | To Kim - you're right | Mar 20, 2010 |
Kim Metzger wrote:
On a related note, didn't a screen used to appear when an asker submits a question that has already been answered (in many cases several times) and is readily available in the KudoZ archives?
Yes, it did. I had it happen once or twice--and not all that long ago. Certainly within the past six months.
| | | | | Alert for existing KudoZ questions is available | Mar 20, 2010 |
Hello Kim and Susan,
Sorry for the delay in checking this. I just tested the feature Kim mentions (alerts for questions that have already been asked) by going through the steps to post a KudoZ question with the following criteria:
Language pair: English to Spanish
Field (broad): Other
Field (specific): Computers: Software
Term or phrase: functionality of labeling
Explanation / more about term: Test explanation
Level: PRO
Language preferred for answer explanations: Any
and the following message showed in the "Preview your question" page / step:
See that the message provides a link to a KudoZ question asked in August, 2004. So, I confirm this feature is working.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Lucia
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Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 14:26
Member (2007)
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| Search for similar questions is still there | Mar 20, 2010 |
Lucia wrote:
I just tested the feature Kim mentions (alerts for questions that have already been asked) ...
I confirm this feature is working.
I too thought that this feature had been removed. I've had occasion lately to post links to several similar or even identical questions. But no, when I posted a question a short while ago, I was notified of an earlier question (which I had already found, of course ). So, it's still there.
The big question is: how to make askers take notice of it?
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Sheila Wilson wrote: Lucia wrote:
I just tested the feature Kim mentions (alerts for questions that have already been asked) ...
I confirm this feature is working. I too thought that this feature had been removed. I've had occasion lately to post links to several similar or even identical questions. But no, when I posted a question a short while ago, I was notified of an earlier question (which I had already found, of course ). So, it's still there. The big question is: how to make askers take notice of it?
I have also checked the glossaries on several occasions after seeing a question posted that I was sure had already been posted. After finding it in the glossaries, I was curious whether the alert was still working and went to the "ask question" feature and found that nothing happened after entering all the data for a term I knew was in the glossary. Just now I again tried Geschäftsbedingungen (terms of business) in German to English under Bus/Financial and Business/Commerce, general. There was no alert although there are four entries in the glossary. I notice that Lucia selected 'other' for the broad field. Could it have something to do with the fields selected?
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| | | | | Yes, that's the question! | Mar 20, 2010 |
Sheila Wilson wrote: I too thought that this feature had been removed. I've had occasion lately to post links to several similar or even identical questions. But no, when I posted a question a short while ago, I was notified of an earlier question (which I had already found, of course ). So, it's still there. The big question is: how to make askers take notice of it?
All the time I see terms asked 100 times before (and already in the glossary). What I find bewildering is (if I'm not wrong) that it is the ANSWERER that is supposed to find the glossary's entry (or entries), if any, and point the asker in this direction. So why should the answerer search in the glossary and not the asker first? I would understand if the asker wrote: I found such and such answer in the glossary, but it doesn't suit in my case. But they don't, as they simply didn't check... And then, they are allowed to add another identical entry to the glossary and even earn 10 Browniz points. I don't get it! In this case, a message should show up: This entry is already in the glossary! Or something like that, and not allow to enter the hundredth identical term for the hundredth identical question, don't you think?
I think it is too easy to post a new question... and to make an entry in the glossary. And I ended up being tired of this situation.
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| | | | mediamatrix (X)
Local time: 09:26
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| A picture tells a thousand words. | Mar 20, 2010 |
Although it's theoretically forbidden to link to Kudoz questions in the forum, I'll take the liberty of breaking the rules to give an example - one of many I've seen in the past several years - where the only, and certainly the most meaningful context, available to the asker is a picture: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/3759071#8484218
But this kind of context cannot, at pr... See more Although it's theoretically forbidden to link to Kudoz questions in the forum, I'll take the liberty of breaking the rules to give an example - one of many I've seen in the past several years - where the only, and certainly the most meaningful context, available to the asker is a picture: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/3759071#8484218
But this kind of context cannot, at present, be posted alongside the question, obliging the asker to find a work-around.
The Kudoz system would be vastly improved if askers could offer pictures as context as an alternative to 'mere' words.
Aparna Chennapragada, product manager for computer vision products at Google, wrote at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8576265.stm : "(Google's) mission was to organise the world's information, and much of that data is now pictorial. Information coming online right now is increasingly visual. So there are more images and more videos being uploaded by your cameras." She said visual search was more intuitive for users: "We're actually pretty good at seeing and recognising. That's what we want versus having to describe in words and trying to recall what we're searching for."
There's nothing new here: http://www.proz.com/forum.php/prozcom_suggestions/90845-1000_word_kudoz_context*_please.html
MediaMatrix
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Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 09:26
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TOPIC STARTER
mediamatrix wrote: ...where the only, and certainly the most meaningful context, available to the asker is a picture: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/3759071#8484218 But this kind of context cannot, at present, be posted alongside the question, obliging the asker to find a work-around. The Kudoz system would be vastly improved if askers could offer pictures as context as an alternative to 'mere' words....
It's a very good idea, but I don't see what the obstacle is--all the asker has to do is provide a link to the picture, as in your example.
Not sure what point you're making here.
| | | | Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 09:26
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TOPIC STARTER | Kim's point - att Lucia | Mar 21, 2010 |
Kim Metzger wrote:
Just now I again tried Geschäftsbedingungen (terms of business) in German to English under Bus/Financial and Business/Commerce, general. There was no alert although there are four entries in the glossary. I notice that Lucia selected 'other' for the broad field. Could it have something to do with the fields selected?
I tried Geschäftsbedingungen with Other for broad and narrow fields, and came up with nothing. If the fields of the search have to exactly match the fields in which the Kudoz item was entered, then I'd say the feature is about 95% useless. The chance of two people classifying them exactly the same are very small, particularly if it is a NON-technical term. Lucia, this is important to fix.
Susan
| | | | | Alert message only shows when term and glossary entry match exactly | Mar 23, 2010 |
Hello all,
I apologize for the delay in my reply. Note that for the alert message to show in the "Preview your question" step, fields do not need to match exactly the fields selected for the previously asked question(s). However, the term entered in the "Term or phrase" field of the KudoZ question form must be exactly the same term that was entered into the glossary when the previously asked question was closed (and the language pair must be, of course, the same pair selected for su... See more Hello all,
I apologize for the delay in my reply. Note that for the alert message to show in the "Preview your question" step, fields do not need to match exactly the fields selected for the previously asked question(s). However, the term entered in the "Term or phrase" field of the KudoZ question form must be exactly the same term that was entered into the glossary when the previously asked question was closed (and the language pair must be, of course, the same pair selected for such glossary entry).
Hope this clarifies.
Regards,
Lucia ▲ Collapse
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