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Überlieferungsgeschichte

English translation: transmission history; way in which material was handed down

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German term or phrase:Überlieferungsgeschichte
English translation:transmission history; way in which material was handed down
Entered by: Hilary Davies Shelby

12:26 Jan 21, 2006
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / medieval literature
German term or phrase: Überlieferungsgeschichte
Hello all,

This is from a text about "bestsellers" in the Middle Ages. The term occurs twice:

1)"Wie Studien zur Überlieferungsgeschichte im deutschen Sprachraum gezeigt haben erfreute sich diese Art von Literatur groesster Beliebtheit"

2)"Diese Überlieferungs- und Rezeptionsgeschichte konnte exemplarisch an 20 Handschriften rekonstruiert werden."

Anyone help?

Thanks a lot! ;-)
Hilary Davies Shelby
United States
Local time: 05:41
transmission history
Explanation:
I think if you are not going to go with history passed down from generation to generation (or some variant thereof), you would do well to use this rather clumsy, mechanical phrase.

In this passage at Wikipedia (as you can see from the other question I answered, I am enjoying reading Wikipedia at the moment) they use "transmission" to speak of the Überlieferung of various texts related to Homer.

Wolf shows how the question of the date of writing meets us on the threshold of the textual criticism of Homer and accordingly enters into a full discussion, first of the external evidence, then of the indications furnished by the poems. Having satisfied himself that writing was unknown to Homer, he is led to consider the real mode of ***transmission***, and finds this in the Rhapsodists, of whom the Homeridae were an hereditary school. And then comes the conclusion to which all this has been tending: the Iliad and Odyssey cannot have been composed in the form in which we know them without the aid of writing. They must therefore have been, as Bentley had said, a sequel of songs and rhapsodies, loose songs not collected together in the form of an epic poem till about 500 years after. This conclusion he then supports by the character attributed to the Cyclic poems (whose want of unity showed that the structure of the Iliad and Odyssey must be the work of a later time), by one or two indications of imperfect connection, and by the doubts of ancient critics as to the genuineness of certain parts. The voice of antiquity is unanimous in declaring that Peisistratus first committed the poems of Homer to writing, and reduced them to the order in which we now read them.

This led me to type in "transmission history" at google, and the results are not unsatisfactory. Quite a few legitimate ones. Take a look.

Good luck!

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Note added at 6 hrs (2006-01-21 18:32:38 GMT)
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That is, you have to type in "transmission history" + "Homer" or else you're going to get the transmission of a lot of diseases. The link provided should be suitable.
Selected response from:

Henry Schroeder
United States
Local time: 06:41
Grading comment
Many thanks for all the responses, and especially to Henry and Armorel, both of whose suggestions I used in the translation. Much appreciated!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1transmission history
Henry Schroeder
4 +1History of tradition
Maya Jurt
3 +1tradition handed down/in from generation to generation
Stephen Sadie
4history of textual tradition
Parzival
3oral (tradition of) history
Francis Lee (X)
3lore story
Tradesca (X)
3tradition of passing down history through the ages (generations)
Annette Urbschat
3the way in which material was handed down
Armorel Young
2historical tradition
kk ll (X)


  

Answers


18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
Ueberlieferungsgeschichte
historical tradition


Explanation:
dabei ist offen, ob mündlich oder handschriftlich

kk ll (X)
Germany
Local time: 12:41
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Ueberlieferungsgeschichte
oral (tradition of) history


Explanation:
not sure about the Rezeptions- bit, though

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Note added at 35 mins (2006-01-21 13:01:30 GMT)
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If Ricki (as I now dread) is right, then:
- history based on personal accounts
- record-based history (which admittedly sounds a bit forced)

Francis Lee (X)
Local time: 12:41
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 80

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Ricki Farn: Nach Hilarys Kontext wurden die Texte durch Abschreiben überliefert, also handschriftliche statt mündliche Überliefung // es geht nicht um geschichtliche Texte, sondern um den Verlauf des Abschreibens (the history/sequence of copying and recopying a text)
11 mins
  -> you may well have a point there ...
agree  David Hollywood: like your style and how about something with "word of mouth" just to keep the ball rolling :) not absolutely clear whether oral or written is true :) thinking about it though would appear to refer to "written" so maybe something like "passed on"
15 mins
  -> v. generous of you not to downgrade to at least neutral, I must say ;-)
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Ueberlieferungsgeschichte
lore story


Explanation:


Tradesca (X)
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Ueberlieferungsgeschichte
tradition handed down/in from generation to generation


Explanation:
my shot

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Note added at 2 hrs (2006-01-21 15:05:33 GMT)
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*o*n (not "in")

Stephen Sadie
Germany
Local time: 12:41
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  shineda: so ähnlich
1 day 24 mins
  -> danke shineda
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Überlieferungsgeschichte
tradition of passing down history through the ages (generations)


Explanation:
the history is of the method of passing down traditions

Annette Urbschat
Local time: 06:41
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Überlieferungsgeschichte
transmission history


Explanation:
I think if you are not going to go with history passed down from generation to generation (or some variant thereof), you would do well to use this rather clumsy, mechanical phrase.

In this passage at Wikipedia (as you can see from the other question I answered, I am enjoying reading Wikipedia at the moment) they use "transmission" to speak of the Überlieferung of various texts related to Homer.

Wolf shows how the question of the date of writing meets us on the threshold of the textual criticism of Homer and accordingly enters into a full discussion, first of the external evidence, then of the indications furnished by the poems. Having satisfied himself that writing was unknown to Homer, he is led to consider the real mode of ***transmission***, and finds this in the Rhapsodists, of whom the Homeridae were an hereditary school. And then comes the conclusion to which all this has been tending: the Iliad and Odyssey cannot have been composed in the form in which we know them without the aid of writing. They must therefore have been, as Bentley had said, a sequel of songs and rhapsodies, loose songs not collected together in the form of an epic poem till about 500 years after. This conclusion he then supports by the character attributed to the Cyclic poems (whose want of unity showed that the structure of the Iliad and Odyssey must be the work of a later time), by one or two indications of imperfect connection, and by the doubts of ancient critics as to the genuineness of certain parts. The voice of antiquity is unanimous in declaring that Peisistratus first committed the poems of Homer to writing, and reduced them to the order in which we now read them.

This led me to type in "transmission history" at google, and the results are not unsatisfactory. Quite a few legitimate ones. Take a look.

Good luck!

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Note added at 6 hrs (2006-01-21 18:32:38 GMT)
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That is, you have to type in "transmission history" + "Homer" or else you're going to get the transmission of a lot of diseases. The link provided should be suitable.


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer
    Reference: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=%22transmission+history%...
Henry Schroeder
United States
Local time: 06:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 88
1 corroborated select project
in this pair and field What is ProZ.com Project History(SM)?
Grading comment
Many thanks for all the responses, and especially to Henry and Armorel, both of whose suggestions I used in the translation. Much appreciated!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ricki Farn
2 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Ueberlieferungsgeschichte
History of tradition


Explanation:
Hermeneutical reflection today will have to expand its attention to include factors which cannot be encompassed within historical science and philosophical analysis. The question of the meaning of the Bible in the modern world will have to turn also on a more adequate theological appraisal of the hermeneutical significance of the testimonium spiritus sancti internum, of the living church which has a past and remembers it, of church tradition, its creeds and confessions, of the Bible as the church's canon, of the history of the people of God in Old and New Testament, without reducing that history to existential historicity (Bultmannianism) or to objective facts abstracted from the biblical history of tradition (40) which interprets the history of God with his people.

Footnote: 40 Cf. the concept of "Überlieferungsgeschichte" in the Pannenberg school, which serves to withstand both the existential dissolution of history and the positivistic objectification of history. Offenbarung als Geschichte, edited by Wolfhart Pannenberg, et al. (Göttingen: Vandenhoek & Ruprecht, 1961).

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Note added at 7 hrs (2006-01-21 20:09:26 GMT)
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https://wwwdbunil.unil.ch/bibil/?MIval=/bi/en/bibilhome&BiMe...
If yoou click on this link, you will see that the Biblical Bibliography of the Library of the Lausanne University lists books in subsection from History of Religious Traditions (Traditions- & Religionsgeschichte), Redaction Criticism (Redaktionsgeschichte)
Motif Criticism (Motivkritik), History of Literature Among these: History of Tradition (Überlieferungsgeschichte).


    https://wwwdbunil.unil.ch/bibil/?MIval=/bi/en/bibilhome&BiMenu=10&BiMain=6&vvedid=39
    Reference: http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/jul1965/v22-2-article5.htm
Maya Jurt
Switzerland
Local time: 12:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ricki Farn
5 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Überlieferungsgeschichte
the way in which material was handed down


Explanation:
Not sure exactly what is being überliefert - obviously you could say "the way in which stories were handed down" if it does indeed refer to stories.

Works for 1) but less well for 2) - I'd be inclined to use "transmission" in the second instance.

Armorel Young
Local time: 11:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 72
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1 day 5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Überlieferungsgeschichte
history of textual tradition


Explanation:
würde ich sagen

Parzival
South Africa
Local time: 12:41
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
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