Zusammenschluss

English translation: Association No. 46

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German term or phrase:	Zusammenschluss-Nr. 46
English translation:	Association No. 46
Entered by:	TechLawDC

15:16 Jul 21, 2017

German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / business law, commercial register

German term or phrase: Zusammenschluss

What is the meaning of this term in this particular context (please see below)? I am guessing "association" but am not sure.

It appears in the address:
XXX und Partner
Zusammenschluss-Nr. 46
YYY Strasse 51
D-70174 Stuttgart

and again in the Attorney's signature:
Patentanwalt
[signature]
(Attorney's name)
Zusammenschluss-Nr. 46

Thanks in advance!

John Speese KudoZ activity Questions: 630 (3 open) (14 without valid answers) (30 closed without grading) Answers: 386 United States
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Association

Explanation:
The reference is to a certain association of patent attorneys. It may be relatively local (more likely, because of the low registration number), or of wider scope.
46 is the attorney's registration number in the said association.
An example of an association (Zusammenschluss) is the "Bundesverband Deutscher Patentanwälte e.V.", which is indeed referred to as a "Zusammenschluss" in the article below. (There are numerous other Googled examples which you can find.)
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Patentanwalt (Deutschland) – Wikipedia
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patentanwalt_(Deutschland)
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Ein Patentanwalt berät und vertritt Mandanten auf dem Gebiet des geistigen Eigentums und .... Der 'Bundesverband Deutscher Patentanwälte e.V.' (BdP) ist ein freiwilliger Zusammenschluss von Patentanwältinnen und Patentanwälten.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2017-07-21 19:29:38 GMT)
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If I were translating "Zusammenschluss-Nr. 46" in the present context, I would opt for the following:
Registration number 46, in the Association [(the "Association" being a specific but unnamed organization for patent attorneys)].

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Note added at 4 hrs (2017-07-21 19:31:29 GMT)
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Alternative: Member number 46, in the Association [(the "Association" being a specific but unnamed organization for patent attorneys)].

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Note added at 2 days9 hrs (2017-07-24 00:22:13 GMT)
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CORRECTION to previous notes:
It is evident from the references cited in the Discussion, esp. by Phil Goddard and by Björn Vrooman (20:07), that the "Nr. 46" relates not to the attorney but to the Association itself.
Thus CORRECTED ANSWER (one possible variant): XXX and Partners, [registered with] Association Number 46, (address).
Alternative corrected answer: XXX and Partners, [members of] Association Number 46, (address).
(The defense of this is that if the number 46 did not relate to the Assocation then the name of the Association would have been presented as well. Of course the name of the Association may have been omitted by mistake, but I doubt it.)

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TechLawDC
United States
Local time: 16:00

Grading comment

Thanks. I decided to go with this.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

Merger

C. MASKA

4 +1

Association

TechLawDC

(Professional) partnership

Daniel Arnold (X)

epi membership number

Ellen Kraus

Discussion entries: 7

Björn Vrooman

20:30 Jul 23, 2017

There's one thing with which I disagree in TechLawDC's answer: I really think this is referring to the EPO, as quoted below, and has nothing to do with the "Bundesverband" or such in Germany.

Cf
"Der Beschwerdeführer, ein in Deutschland zugelassener Rechtsanwalt, hatte am 25. September 2008 zusammen mit 11 zugelassenen Vertretern (europäischen Patentanwälten) beantragt, die Antragsteller seien als Zusammenschluss zu registrieren."
https://www.epo.org/law-practice/case-law-appeals/recent/j10...

and "Zusammenschluss Nr." hier (Switzerland):
http://www.hepp.ch/media/forms/patent/allg_vollmacht_epa_(de...

This is an EPO, not a German number.

I suggested adding EPO before "Registration No." because it "has been the long standing practice of the Office to grant limited recognition under 37 CFR § 11.9(b) to nonimmigrant aliens who demonstrate that they are authorized to be employed or trained by a specific employer in the capacity of preparing and prosecuting patent applications."
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/ip-policy/becom...

But AFAIK, that's for individuals, who get a "Recognition" No.; you don't need it, I guess.

Best

Björn Vrooman

Hello Daniel

20:07 Jul 23, 2017

Hope all's well and thank you. Not entirely sure about my suggestion of adding the place of registration, but I suppose it couldn't hurt given the circumstances (see my comment on TechLawDC's answer).

Have a nice Sunday--or MONDAY, I should say; just don't want to think about next week already :)

Daniel Arnold (X)

Australia

20:01 Jul 23, 2017

Nice research Björn ! I think you are spot on and I am probably not this time around ,-)

Björn Vrooman

Hello John

19:59 Jul 23, 2017

It's all right there on the EPO website:
"Will der Anmelder Mitglieder eines Zusammenschlusses von zugelassenen Vertretern als Anwalt bestellen, so ist der Name des Zusammenschlusses und seine Registrierungsnummer in Feld Nr. IV des PCT-Antragsformblatts anzugeben."
https://www.epo.org/applying/international/guide-for-applica...

"If the applicant wishes to appoint the members of an association of professional representatives as agents, the name of the association and its registration number must be indicated in Box No. IV of the PCT request form."
https://www.epo.org/applying/international/guide-for-applica...

See:
http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponet.nsf/0/9EF37...$File/52305_form_edit_en.pdf

Cf:
https://www.dpma.de/service/veroeffentlichungen/mitteilungen...

What you need is the Registration No. I see little difference to USPTO practice, e.g.:
https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/registration-number-patent...
https://oedci.uspto.gov/OEDCI/practitionerSearch.jsp

Should be followed by a reference to associations AND the place where you registered.

Best

philgoddard

United States

15:30 Jul 21, 2017

I wouldn't leave it in German. "Association" would probably work.

John Speese

United States

ASKER

15:26 Jul 21, 2017

Hi Phil. My context is the same as this one, just a different document. And I notice that it was just left in German (which may be the best option). I also see from what you showed me that the asker was also thinking "association."
Thanks,
Jack

philgoddard

United States

15:19 Jul 21, 2017

Have you tried Googling this? This is the first hit I got:
http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idThread...
I don't know if the answer is correct, but it sounds convincing.

Answers

17 mins confidence:

epi membership number

Explanation:
epi membership is mandatory for all European patent attorneys. The European Patent Office website includes an up-to-date database of professional representatives before the EPO as per the physical register located in their offices. Requests for any change of contact details using EPO Form 52301 (request for changes in the list of professional representatives) should be send in a written form to the Legal and Unitary Patent Division of the European Patent Office. Further information can be found here.

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Institut der beim Europäischen Patentamt zugelassenen Vertreter -epi
patentepi.com/de/
Das Institut der beim Europäischen Patentamt zugelassenen Vertreter (epi) wurde gemäß dem Europäischen Patentübereinkommen (EPÜ) durch

Ellen Kraus
Austria
Local time: 22:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 308

29 mins confidence:

Merger

Explanation:
Patent attorney
[Signature]
(Attorney's name)
Merger-No. 46

C. MASKA
France
Local time: 22:00
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French

4 hrs confidence:

(Professional) partnership

Explanation:
Pretty sure it'a partnership, that's the legal term for Zusammenschluss of independent lawyers.
See link (sorry its not the best) and Google the term.

Reference: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/professional-pa...

Daniel Arnold (X)
Australia
Local time: 22:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German,

English
PRO pts in category: 32

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Association

TechLawDC
United States
Local time: 16:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 57

Grading comment

Thanks. I decided to go with this.

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