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travail du rêve

English translation: dream-work

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French term or phrase:travail du rêve
English translation:dream-work
Entered by: French Foodie

19:53 Oct 30, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
French term or phrase: travail du rêve
From an exhibition on Italian drawings from the 16th and 17th centuries.

« Comme le rêve le dessin », la formule, transposée du célèbre Ut pictura poesis classique, est à double entente mais sa signification explicite : il ne s’agit pas de montrer les images de rêve telles que l’histoire du dessin les a fixées, mais d’utiliser la notion de travail du rêve, élaborée notamment par la littérature psychanalytique, pour explorer le travail du dessin.

the notion of working on the dream, the work of the dream, the study of dreams?

Sorry if this is obvious, but nothing seems to sound English to me at the moment :-(
French Foodie
Local time: 14:48
dream-work
Explanation:
This is the psychoanalytical notion. The hyphen is important.

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Note added at 27 mins (2008-10-30 20:21:21 GMT)
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Dream-work is the work that needs to be done to reveal the latent meaning of a dream; in the same vein a work of art can be analyzed to explore its meaning.

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Note added at 13 hrs (2008-10-31 09:15:42 GMT)
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Lapsus, I apologize. It's the other way round: Dream-work transforms the latent dream into the manifest dream, the opposite being the work of interpretation.
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Cleartrans
Belgium
Local time: 14:48
Grading comment
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I did some further research, and dream-work is definitely the established translation for "travail du reve" in pyschoanalysis. I doubt I would have found it without you. Thanks so much!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5dream-work
Cleartrans
4working of dreams
lundy
4 -1dream/ideal work/job
Angel_7
3stuff of dreams
Rimas Balsys


Discussion entries: 2





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
dream/ideal work/job


Explanation:
regards

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Note added at 3 mins (2008-10-30 19:57:18 GMT)
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So dream work, dream job, ideal work, ideal job

Angel_7
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:48
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sandra Petch: That would be "travail de rêve" - je suis traductrice, j'ai un travail de rêve (a dream job).
12 hrs
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
stuff of dreams


Explanation:
As in 'This is the stuff of dreams' and possibly carries the ambiguity / double entendre alluded to in the source you provided. However, without more context I can't be more inventive. (I had considered 'dreamworks' but to use a good old UK expression that might be a bit naff :-)

Rimas Balsys
Local time: 05:48
Native speaker of: English
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
working of dreams


Explanation:
looking at how dreams work (as studied in psychoanalytical literature) and transposing that knowledge on to exploring how the drawings are elaborated

lundy
France
Local time: 14:48
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Frank Foley: Or perhaps "workings...", to give it that analytical feel. :-)
9 mins
  -> thanks Frank - I agree with you "workings" has a better feel!
disagree  Cleartrans: Dream-work is a psychoanalytical term with its own meaning.
17 mins
  -> thank you, I wasn't aware of the term
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
dream-work


Explanation:
This is the psychoanalytical notion. The hyphen is important.

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Note added at 27 mins (2008-10-30 20:21:21 GMT)
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Dream-work is the work that needs to be done to reveal the latent meaning of a dream; in the same vein a work of art can be analyzed to explore its meaning.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 13 hrs (2008-10-31 09:15:42 GMT)
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Lapsus, I apologize. It's the other way round: Dream-work transforms the latent dream into the manifest dream, the opposite being the work of interpretation.

Cleartrans
Belgium
Local time: 14:48
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in FlemishFlemish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I did some further research, and dream-work is definitely the established translation for "travail du reve" in pyschoanalysis. I doubt I would have found it without you. Thanks so much!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Shiner: absolutely right
27 mins
agree  Susan Nicholls: this is definitely the psychoanalytic term
1 hr
agree  Melissa McMahon: yes, this is a technical term: displacement and condensation - I understand it as the work the unconscious does to conceal the meaning rather than the work done to reveal it though
3 hrs
  -> You're right, Melissa. Not sure what I was thinking yesterday. Thanks!
agree  tatyana000: yes, definitely
14 hrs
agree  lydiar
14 hrs
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