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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

saponi marsiglia martellati all Olio di'Oliva

English translation:

pressed blocks of Marseilles Soap with Olive Oil

Added to glossary by Lyns
Jul 21, 2009 13:35
14 yrs ago
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Italian term

saponi marsiglia martellati all Olio di'Oliva

Italian to English Science Cosmetics, Beauty Soap
Hi everyone,
This is the description of a soap product, has anyone ever heard of "hammered marseilles soap"?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 pressed blocks of Marseilles Soap with Olive Oil
4 +1 cold pressed castile (bar) soap
4 olive oil-based Marsiglia soaps
3 Marseilles olive-oil hammered soap bars
Change log

Jul 21, 2009 13:37: Emanuela Galdelli changed "Term asked" from "SAPONI MARSIGLIA MARTELLATI all Olio di\'Oliva" to "saponi marsiglia martellati all Olio di\'Oliva"

Discussion

Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
I'm Irish too.. and in the heat! A lethal combination. I reckon, Shera Lyn, that it's just the type. Thanks for all your help guys, if I don't move on from this point I'm never going to get finished. I'll have to come back to look at it all with a fresh mind. Thanks again.
Tom in London Jul 21, 2009:
Ma non qui Qui a Londra piove, non fa caldo, e sono perfettamente in controllo delle mie emozioni anche se sono irlandese :)

Insomma basta con 'sto sapone.
Shera Lyn Parpia Jul 21, 2009:
is this actually Marseilles soap from Marseilles or is it just a Marseilles-type soap from somewhere else?
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
Kate! Turn on the A/C! I'm suffering from the heat too and now you've added another option it's just got hotter!!! good point though.
Kate Chaffer Jul 21, 2009:
Just because I'm in an argumentative mood... ...blame the heat!

http://www.google.com/search?q="marseilles soap&rls=com.micr... (3300 hits)

http://www.google.com/search?q="marseille soap&rls=com.micro... (17,500 hits)

But obviously, Google is hardly a reliable source :)
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
Thanks everyone. A great help.
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
S..... it is!
Giuseppe Bellone Jul 21, 2009:
with S I'd prefer the "Marseilles" spelling. A matter of tastes.
Kate Chaffer Jul 21, 2009:
I do apologise Tom Would Encyclopaedia Britannica be any better (notice the 'also spelled' bit)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/366460/Marseille

...or would you trust the BBC? :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/41
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
To S or not to S? Hi Kate, I saw Wikipedia alright but there are many more entries with S, especially online shops etc, and this is a catalogue I reckon I'll stick with the crowd! MisterBeppe, I can't find any reference to "hammered soap" on google, first few pages at least - so that rings some alarm bells.
Tom in London Jul 21, 2009:
Wikipedia... ...is hardly a reliable source.
Kate Chaffer Jul 21, 2009:
S or no S Marseille is the French spelling which is becoming increasingly popular in English. Even Wikipedia uses it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marseille_soap
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
I like your gumption! And I don't like mysterious stamping or pressing processes. Thanks a million, I got thrown off track by a bogus Marseilles without the 's' website. Thanks again.
Tom in London Jul 21, 2009:
I'm sticking with my suggestion "olive oil stamped" sounds as though the soap had been submitted to a mysterious "olive oil stamping" process. And "olive oil pressed" sounds as though it had been submitted to an equally mysterious "olive oil pressing" process. So I'm sticking with my own suggestion. And in English "Marseilles" has an "s".
Lyns (asker) Jul 21, 2009:
pressed blocks of Marseilles Soap with Olive Oil Thanks for all your help guys. I didn't expect to hear from anyone so quickly. Great stuff.
What do you think of "olive oil stamped Marseille soap bars" or "olive oil pressed bars of Marseille Soap"? (ignore the caps. - it's a title so I have to play around with the formatting).

Proposed translations

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pressed blocks of Marseilles Soap with Olive Oil

Peer comment(s):
agree Lionel_M (X) : or "cube" ?//OK Tom, but I'm afraid they're no longuer handmade (NB: Marseille w/o "s" )
27 mins
not exactly a perfect cube. Being handmade, they tend to be irregular
agree Barbara Toffolon (X) : With all this discussion, I now look at my soap bar under a different perspective ...... snicker
16 hrs
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This suggestion worked best because it incorporated pressed/martellati (as opposed to stamped which refers more to the branding/weight etc). Thanks"
4 mins

olive oil-based Marsiglia soaps

I would say

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Note added at 12 Min. (2009-07-21 13:47:16 GMT)
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to judge by the corresponding ghits, the term Marsiglia (Marseille)is left untranslated.
Marsiglia Completely natural soap whit pure vegetable ingredients obtained by the saponification of acid fast contained in the coconut oil and olive oil, ...
www.onlineincense.com/cat_en.asp?cat_id=32-56
Peer comment(s):
neutral Kate Chaffer : Marsiglia definitely needs to be translated. It is French after all. Your link is just a very poor translation from Italian/339 hits to be precise and yes, they're all translations.
14 mins
there are more than 32.000 links on Marsiglia soaps. would you all call them poor translations ??
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1 hr

Marseilles olive-oil hammered soap bars

If you have a look here, you may find something that will help.
And it ' "hammered" beacuse a hammer is used to take the sopa out of the mold!.

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Note added at 1 ora (2009-07-21 14:54:56 GMT)
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Sorry about the typos. I'd leave "Marseilles" because, as some collegues said , the soap really comes from the French town, at least in its origin.

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Note added at 1 ora (2009-07-21 14:57:09 GMT)
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maybe .... "with olive oil" postponed, sounds better.
Example sentence:

http://www.milkywaymolds.com/pages/tips_stamps.htm

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cold pressed castile (bar) soap

You may want to stick with Marseilles soap but I wanted to give you an alternative. This is another perfectly acceptable way of calling simple white soap.

Until I came to live in Italy I thought all mild white soap was castile soap (probably an Amercanism, thanks to my mother) . Then I discovered something they called Marseilles soap here,and it was really the same thing. .

But - Castile soap *is* made of olive oil and the soap making process is pretty much identical everywhere.

here http://dictionary.die.net/castile soap it says:
"Castile soap, a fine-grained hard soap, white or mottled,
made of olive oil and soda; -- called also Marseilles, or
Venetian, soap."


In the wikipedia link below it says "Another theory is that modern-day castile soaps are conceptually similar to, and most likely derived from the so-called white soap that has traditionally been manufactured in Northern Italy since the early 1600s. From Venice, where the oldest white soap factories were established, olive oil-based soap reached the Greek island of Crete first, and Southern France (Marseille) at a later stage."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castile_soap
http://www.greenlivingtips.com/articles/221/1/Castile-soap.h...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Cold-Pressed-Castile-Soap---A-Retu...

Note from asker:
Thanks Sher Lyn, now I'm going to really have to ask the client whether it's the type or the origin because what I'd assumed was a very simple term sems to have mushroomed on me. I'll let you know what I find out, thank you
Peer comment(s):
neutral Rachel Fell : but Castile soap is basically white, whereas Marseilles soap is usu. olive green/light khaki colour http://tinyurl.com/ndxk4t\\Yes, prob. w. a statutory amount of o.oil, etc.
3 hrs
sometimes, but not always... there does seem to be lot of leeway in the definitions..
agree Chiara Arepalli : I would also use cold pressed castile soap ("If soap is made from pure olive oil it may be called Castile soap or Marseille soap" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap)
5 hrs
true!
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