Aug 29, 2002 13:44
21 yrs ago
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| 5 | Rafael, íàä áóêâîé å íàäî ïîñòàâèòü äâå òî÷êè |
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| 5 | traduction detaillee des noms |
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| 5 | Raphael, Mingazov, Gaifoulline |
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| 4 | Gaifulin, Raphael, Mingazoff |
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Rafael, íàä áóêâîé å íàäî ïîñòàâèòü äâå òî÷êè
Åñëè Âû èìååòå â âèäó õóäîæíèêà.
Ñåé÷àñ íàïèøó äðóãèå èìåíà.
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Minguazov èëè Mingazov
Ïðàâèëüíî òàê. Íî ÷àñòî ìîæíî óâèäåòü è òðàíñêðèïöèþ òàêèõ ôàìèëèé ñ off íà êîíöå.
Gayfoulline èëè Gayphoulline
Åñëè äâîéíîå L çäåñü çàìåíèòü íà îäèíàðíîå, òî ïðîèçíîñèòüñÿ áóäåò òàê æå.
Ññûëêè íà ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ïîÿñíåíèÿ:
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ß ïðèìåíÿþ ïðàâèëà, èçëîæåííûå â êíèãå
Ð.Ñ. Ãèëÿðåâñêèé è Á.À. Ñòàðîñòèí
Èíîñòðàííûå èìåíà è íàçâàíèÿ â ðóññêîì òåêñòå. Ñïðàâî÷íèê. Ì. 1985
Ïðèìåíÿþ èõ, òàê ñêàçàòü, â äðóãóþ ñòîðîíó. Ñïðàâî÷íèê ïîçâîëÿåò ýòî ñäåëàòü.
Íó è êîíå÷íî, ÿ ïðèìåíÿþ ñîáñòâåííîå çíàíèå îáîèõ ÿçûêîâ.
 ÷àñòíîñòè, ïåðåäàâàòü ðóññêîå \"àé\" ÷åðåç ôðàíöóçñêîå \"ai\" íåëüçÿ, ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî, ïîòîìó ÷òî âî ôðàíöóçñêîì ýòî áóäåò ÷èòàòüñÿ êàê \"ý\" (êàê, íàïðèìåð, â ñëîâå fait).
À ôðàíöóçñêîå áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå \"ay\" ïåðåâîäèòñÿ íà ðóññêèé êàê \"àé\", íàïðèìåð
Raymond - Ðàéìîí
Íî âîîáùå-òî ýòî ñàìîå òðóäíîå ìåñòî â Âàøåì âîïðîñå. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòî áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå íå âñåãäà òàê ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ.
Êðîìå òîãî, ïåðåäàâàòü ðóññêîå \"ó\" ÷åðåç ôðàíöóçñêîå \"u\" òîæå íåïðàâèëüíî - îíî ÷èòàåòñÿ êàê .. íó ÿ íå ìîãó çäåñü íàïèñàòü êàê, íî ïî÷òè êàê \"þ\" ðóññêîå. Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, ïðè îáðàòíîé òðàíñëèòåðàöèè - ñ ôðàíöóçñêîãî íà ðóññêèé - ýòó áóêâó ñïðàâî÷íèê ðåêîìåíäóåò ïåðåäàâàòü òîëüêî áóêâîé \"þ\" (â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ) èëè èíîãäà \"è\", íî íèêîãäà ÷åðåç \"ó\".
Áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå \"gu\" ïåðåä ãëàñíûìè îçíà÷àåò Ã.
Áóêâà \"g\" ïåðåä \"a\" òîæå ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê Ã, íî ïåðåä äðóãèìè ãëàñíûìè (íàïðèìåð ïåðåä \"i\") - êàê Æ.
Íà êîíöå ó Gayphoulline íàäî îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîñòàâèòü \"e\", îíî íåìîå, ò.å. íå ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ, íî áëàãîäàðÿ åìó ñëîã ñòàíîâèòñÿ îòêðûòûì è \"n\" ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê íîðìàëüíîå ðóññêîå \"í\".
Åñëè áû íåìîãî \"e\" ÿ òàì íå ïîñòàâèëà, òî êîíåö ôàìèëèè - \"lin\" ïðîèçíîñèëñÿ áû \"ëåí\", à íå \"ëèí\".
Êàæåòñÿ, ôîíåòèêó ÿ îáúÿñíèëà. Åñëè ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü íåÿñíûì, ñïðîñèòå òàì íàâåðõó ñòðàíè÷êè, ÿ îòâå÷ó.
Òåïåðü íàñ÷åò Ðàôàýëÿ õî÷ó äîáàâèòü.
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ß ïîñìîòðåëà ñåé÷àñ ñëîâàðè è Web.
Äà, èíîãäà ïèøóò ôàìèëèþ õóäîæíèêà òàê, êàê ÿ ÂÀì âûøå íàïèñàëà, íî ïî ñëîâàðþ - íàäî ïèñàòü Raphael, òîæå ñ äâóìÿ òî÷êàìè íàä \"e\".
Ýòî êàñàåòñÿ è ôàìèëèè õóäîæíèêà, è äëÿ ìóæñêîãî èìåíè.
Àíãëèéñêîå íàïèñàíèå òî÷íî òàêîå æå, òîëüêî áåç äâóõ òî÷åê íàä \"e\".
Ïîýòîìó â ðåàëüíûõ ôðàíöóçñêèõ òåêñòàõ òîæå èíîãäà âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ýòî èìÿ áåç äâóõ òî÷åê. Íî ïî ïðàâèëàì ÿçûêà îíè íóæíû.
Êàæåòñÿ, ÿ íè÷åãî íå çàáûëà ñêàçàòü. Ñïðîñèòå, åñëè îñòàëîñü åùå ÷òî-òî íåÿñíûì.
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Âñå-òàêè çàáûëà ñêàçàòü: ñïðàâî÷íèê, êîòîðûé ÿ âûøå öèòèðóþ, ÿ ïîëó÷èëà âî Âñåñîþçíîì Öåíòðå Ïåðåâîäîâ â Ìîñêâå, êîãäà òàì ðàáîòàëà. Ïîëó÷èëà åãî â êà÷åñòâå ñâîäà îáÿçàòåëüíûõ ïðàâèë, êîòîðûå íàäî áûëî ïðèìåíÿòü ïðè òðàíñëèòåðèðîâàíèè.
Òàê ÷òî ýòî íàäåæíûé èñòî÷íèê.
Êðîìå òîãî, îí ïîëíîñòüþ ñîîòâåòñòâóåò ìîèì ôîíåòè÷åñêèì âïå÷àòëåíèÿì îò ôðàíöóçñêîãî ÿçûêà, à ÿ âñå-òàêè æèâó âî Ôðàíöèè óæå ìíîãî ëåò.
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×òî êàñàåòñÿ óäàðåíèÿ, òî îíî âî ôðàíöóçñêîì ÿçûêå âñåãäà íà ïîñëåäíåì ñëîãå. Íåìàÿ áóêâà íà êîíöå íå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ñëîãîì, ò.å. ñëîãà íå îáðàçóåò.
Ïðîèçíîñèòüñÿ áóäåò òàê (îáîçíà÷àþ óëàðåíèå áîëüøîé áóêâîé):
ðàôàÝëü, ãàéôóëÈí, ìèíãàçÎâ
ß åùå çàáûëà ñêàçàòü, ÷òî, ïî ïðàâèëàì ôðàíöóçñêîãî ÿçûêà, â èìåíè Raphael êîíåö ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ èìåííî êàê \"ëü\", à íå êàê \"ë\"
Ñåé÷àñ íàïèøó äðóãèå èìåíà.
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Minguazov èëè Mingazov
Ïðàâèëüíî òàê. Íî ÷àñòî ìîæíî óâèäåòü è òðàíñêðèïöèþ òàêèõ ôàìèëèé ñ off íà êîíöå.
Gayfoulline èëè Gayphoulline
Åñëè äâîéíîå L çäåñü çàìåíèòü íà îäèíàðíîå, òî ïðîèçíîñèòüñÿ áóäåò òàê æå.
Ññûëêè íà ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ïîÿñíåíèÿ:
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ß ïðèìåíÿþ ïðàâèëà, èçëîæåííûå â êíèãå
Ð.Ñ. Ãèëÿðåâñêèé è Á.À. Ñòàðîñòèí
Èíîñòðàííûå èìåíà è íàçâàíèÿ â ðóññêîì òåêñòå. Ñïðàâî÷íèê. Ì. 1985
Ïðèìåíÿþ èõ, òàê ñêàçàòü, â äðóãóþ ñòîðîíó. Ñïðàâî÷íèê ïîçâîëÿåò ýòî ñäåëàòü.
Íó è êîíå÷íî, ÿ ïðèìåíÿþ ñîáñòâåííîå çíàíèå îáîèõ ÿçûêîâ.
 ÷àñòíîñòè, ïåðåäàâàòü ðóññêîå \"àé\" ÷åðåç ôðàíöóçñêîå \"ai\" íåëüçÿ, ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî, ïîòîìó ÷òî âî ôðàíöóçñêîì ýòî áóäåò ÷èòàòüñÿ êàê \"ý\" (êàê, íàïðèìåð, â ñëîâå fait).
À ôðàíöóçñêîå áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå \"ay\" ïåðåâîäèòñÿ íà ðóññêèé êàê \"àé\", íàïðèìåð
Raymond - Ðàéìîí
Íî âîîáùå-òî ýòî ñàìîå òðóäíîå ìåñòî â Âàøåì âîïðîñå. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòî áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå íå âñåãäà òàê ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ.
Êðîìå òîãî, ïåðåäàâàòü ðóññêîå \"ó\" ÷åðåç ôðàíöóçñêîå \"u\" òîæå íåïðàâèëüíî - îíî ÷èòàåòñÿ êàê .. íó ÿ íå ìîãó çäåñü íàïèñàòü êàê, íî ïî÷òè êàê \"þ\" ðóññêîå. Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, ïðè îáðàòíîé òðàíñëèòåðàöèè - ñ ôðàíöóçñêîãî íà ðóññêèé - ýòó áóêâó ñïðàâî÷íèê ðåêîìåíäóåò ïåðåäàâàòü òîëüêî áóêâîé \"þ\" (â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ) èëè èíîãäà \"è\", íî íèêîãäà ÷åðåç \"ó\".
Áóêâîñî÷åòàíèå \"gu\" ïåðåä ãëàñíûìè îçíà÷àåò Ã.
Áóêâà \"g\" ïåðåä \"a\" òîæå ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê Ã, íî ïåðåä äðóãèìè ãëàñíûìè (íàïðèìåð ïåðåä \"i\") - êàê Æ.
Íà êîíöå ó Gayphoulline íàäî îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîñòàâèòü \"e\", îíî íåìîå, ò.å. íå ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ, íî áëàãîäàðÿ åìó ñëîã ñòàíîâèòñÿ îòêðûòûì è \"n\" ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê íîðìàëüíîå ðóññêîå \"í\".
Åñëè áû íåìîãî \"e\" ÿ òàì íå ïîñòàâèëà, òî êîíåö ôàìèëèè - \"lin\" ïðîèçíîñèëñÿ áû \"ëåí\", à íå \"ëèí\".
Êàæåòñÿ, ôîíåòèêó ÿ îáúÿñíèëà. Åñëè ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü íåÿñíûì, ñïðîñèòå òàì íàâåðõó ñòðàíè÷êè, ÿ îòâå÷ó.
Òåïåðü íàñ÷åò Ðàôàýëÿ õî÷ó äîáàâèòü.
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ß ïîñìîòðåëà ñåé÷àñ ñëîâàðè è Web.
Äà, èíîãäà ïèøóò ôàìèëèþ õóäîæíèêà òàê, êàê ÿ ÂÀì âûøå íàïèñàëà, íî ïî ñëîâàðþ - íàäî ïèñàòü Raphael, òîæå ñ äâóìÿ òî÷êàìè íàä \"e\".
Ýòî êàñàåòñÿ è ôàìèëèè õóäîæíèêà, è äëÿ ìóæñêîãî èìåíè.
Àíãëèéñêîå íàïèñàíèå òî÷íî òàêîå æå, òîëüêî áåç äâóõ òî÷åê íàä \"e\".
Ïîýòîìó â ðåàëüíûõ ôðàíöóçñêèõ òåêñòàõ òîæå èíîãäà âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ýòî èìÿ áåç äâóõ òî÷åê. Íî ïî ïðàâèëàì ÿçûêà îíè íóæíû.
Êàæåòñÿ, ÿ íè÷åãî íå çàáûëà ñêàçàòü. Ñïðîñèòå, åñëè îñòàëîñü åùå ÷òî-òî íåÿñíûì.
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Âñå-òàêè çàáûëà ñêàçàòü: ñïðàâî÷íèê, êîòîðûé ÿ âûøå öèòèðóþ, ÿ ïîëó÷èëà âî Âñåñîþçíîì Öåíòðå Ïåðåâîäîâ â Ìîñêâå, êîãäà òàì ðàáîòàëà. Ïîëó÷èëà åãî â êà÷åñòâå ñâîäà îáÿçàòåëüíûõ ïðàâèë, êîòîðûå íàäî áûëî ïðèìåíÿòü ïðè òðàíñëèòåðèðîâàíèè.
Òàê ÷òî ýòî íàäåæíûé èñòî÷íèê.
Êðîìå òîãî, îí ïîëíîñòüþ ñîîòâåòñòâóåò ìîèì ôîíåòè÷åñêèì âïå÷àòëåíèÿì îò ôðàíöóçñêîãî ÿçûêà, à ÿ âñå-òàêè æèâó âî Ôðàíöèè óæå ìíîãî ëåò.
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×òî êàñàåòñÿ óäàðåíèÿ, òî îíî âî ôðàíöóçñêîì ÿçûêå âñåãäà íà ïîñëåäíåì ñëîãå. Íåìàÿ áóêâà íà êîíöå íå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ñëîãîì, ò.å. ñëîãà íå îáðàçóåò.
Ïðîèçíîñèòüñÿ áóäåò òàê (îáîçíà÷àþ óëàðåíèå áîëüøîé áóêâîé):
ðàôàÝëü, ãàéôóëÈí, ìèíãàçÎâ
ß åùå çàáûëà ñêàçàòü, ÷òî, ïî ïðàâèëàì ôðàíöóçñêîãî ÿçûêà, â èìåíè Raphael êîíåö ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ èìåííî êàê \"ëü\", à íå êàê \"ë\"
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Arnold Baren
France
France
Native in French
France
20 years International Public Relations
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, Russian to French, French
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traduction detaillee des noms
Âîò è âñ¸.
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RaphaÑl, GaÕfouline (ou GaÕfulin), Mingazov (ou Mingazoff).
\"Imia\" peut Ðtre aussi \"prÎnom\". L\'ennui, c\'est que dans votre phrase, il y a les deux. Donc, l\'idÎal serait de traduire par \"traduction dÎtailmlÎe des prÎnoms et noms\".
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RaphaÑl, GaÕfouline (ou GaÕfulin), Mingazov (ou Mingazoff).
\"Imia\" peut Ðtre aussi \"prÎnom\". L\'ennui, c\'est que dans votre phrase, il y a les deux. Donc, l\'idÎal serait de traduire par \"traduction dÎtailmlÎe des prÎnoms et noms\".
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Raphael, qui vient de l\'ancien hÎbreu, est un des anges principaux de la tradition juive. Le peintre celebre italien du 15eme siecle portait ce nom.
Les deux autres noms ne signifient, a mon avis, absolument rien du tout en francais. Ce sont des noms de famille, dont je ne vois pas, mÐme avec humour, ce que l\'on pourrait en tirer en francais...
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RaphaÑl, GaÕfouline (ou GaÕfulin), Mingazov (ou Mingazoff).
\"Imia\" peut Ðtre aussi \"prÎnom\". L\'ennui, c\'est que dans votre phrase, il y a les deux. Donc, l\'idÎal serait de traduire par \"traduction dÎtailmlÎe des prÎnoms et noms\".
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RaphaÑl, GaÕfouline (ou GaÕfulin), Mingazov (ou Mingazoff).
\"Imia\" peut Ðtre aussi \"prÎnom\". L\'ennui, c\'est que dans votre phrase, il y a les deux. Donc, l\'idÎal serait de traduire par \"traduction dÎtailmlÎe des prÎnoms et noms\".
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Raphael, qui vient de l\'ancien hÎbreu, est un des anges principaux de la tradition juive. Le peintre celebre italien du 15eme siecle portait ce nom.
Les deux autres noms ne signifient, a mon avis, absolument rien du tout en francais. Ce sont des noms de famille, dont je ne vois pas, mÐme avec humour, ce que l\'on pourrait en tirer en francais...
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United Kingdom
United Kingdom
The sports specialists
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, English, French to English
Gaifulin, Raphael, Mingazoff
Pronounced:
Gai-foo-lin - stress possibly on second syllable
Ra- fay- yel - stress definitely on third syllable
Min-gaz-off - stress possibly on first syllable
The only connotation I can see (as an Englishman who speaks a bit of French) is with Raphael - the famous artist - so definitely a positive one!
Gai-foo-lin - stress possibly on second syllable
Ra- fay- yel - stress definitely on third syllable
Min-gaz-off - stress possibly on first syllable
The only connotation I can see (as an Englishman who speaks a bit of French) is with Raphael - the famous artist - so definitely a positive one!
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Raphael, Mingazov, Gaifoulline
Absolutno tochno: Raphael (PH!!! en francais). udarenie nad e.
Mingazov: mozno Mingazoff no tolko nie Minguazov (nie nado dobavliat' U, poskolku sochetanie GA chitajetsa i tak kak russkoje G)
Gaifoulline: s dvojetochijem nad I (obiazatielno)! OU, LL, E na kontse, udarienie nad I. Un site ou j'ai trouve un peintre de ce nom:
http://www.gardenofeden.co.uk/airat.htm
Parole d'historienne de l'art.
Mingazov: mozno Mingazoff no tolko nie Minguazov (nie nado dobavliat' U, poskolku sochetanie GA chitajetsa i tak kak russkoje G)
Gaifoulline: s dvojetochijem nad I (obiazatielno)! OU, LL, E na kontse, udarienie nad I. Un site ou j'ai trouve un peintre de ce nom:
http://www.gardenofeden.co.uk/airat.htm
Parole d'historienne de l'art.
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