Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
afrondingsverschillen
English translation:
round-off differences/rounding-off differences
Added to glossary by
Inge Dijkstra
Jan 21, 2007 16:22
17 yrs ago
Dutch term
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Native in: Dutch
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afrondingsverschillen
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Education / Pedagogy
credit system
Op een website voor HBO-studenten staat de volgende tekst: "Door de omschakeling op het nieuwe creditssysteem zal het kunnen voorkomen dat er heel kleine afrondingsverschillen optreden". Ik zit een beetje in mijn maag met 'afrondingsverschillen'; is het zo simpel als 'rounding off differences' of kan ik 'rounding off' weglaten? Mijn vertaling luidt dan: "Conversion to the new credit system may result in minor (rounding off) differences". Anyone? Thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 5 +2 | round-off differences |
Jack den Haan
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| 4 +3 | rounding |
jarry (X)
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| 3 +2 | round-off differences |
hirselina
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Proposed translations
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3 mins
Jack den Haan
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in Dutch
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English
Netherlands
Qualified engineer, translator & teacher
Native in: Dutch 
, English (Variants: UK, US)
Works in: Dutch to English, English to Dutch
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round-off differences
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Note added at 5 mins (2007-01-21 16:27:20 GMT)
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Met 'rounding-off difference' is trouwens ook niets mis. Ik zou 'round-off' of 'rounding-off' zeker niet weglaten!
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Note added at 19 mins (2007-01-21 16:41:28 GMT)
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In plaats van 'differences' kun je trouwens ook de term 'errors' gebruiken: 'round-off errors' of 'rounding-off errors'.
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Note added at 22 mins (2007-01-21 16:44:17 GMT)
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Op Wikpedia kom ik nog nog de term 'rounding error' tegen. Zie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding_error , ook voor een uitgebreide uitleg over afronding in het algemeen.
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@Jarry: According to my Wikipedia reference, round-off error is the same as rounding error. Ergo: 'rounding' is the same as 'round-off', a process of adding 5 to the next digit and chopping (i.e. truncating) it, as Wikipedia puts it. This can result in rounding either up or down. Try it with 6.4 and 6.6, for example, by adding 0.5 and chopping/truncating to zero decimal places. The answer you suggested at 52 minutes , by the way, was also additionally suggested by me at 22 minutes. Or wasn't it there when you looked? ;-)
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@Jarry, re: "You did not suggest this answer; you suggested 'rounding errors', which is incorrect as a translation of "afrondingsverschillen". Are you suggesting that 'rounding' ias a correct translation of 'afrondingsverschillen'? Rounding is a numerical process. Rounding difference or rounding error is the result of the process. In the mathematical disciple of numerical analysis, by the way, difference and error can be regarded as meaning the same.
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Met 'rounding-off difference' is trouwens ook niets mis. Ik zou 'round-off' of 'rounding-off' zeker niet weglaten!
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Note added at 19 mins (2007-01-21 16:41:28 GMT)
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In plaats van 'differences' kun je trouwens ook de term 'errors' gebruiken: 'round-off errors' of 'rounding-off errors'.
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Note added at 22 mins (2007-01-21 16:44:17 GMT)
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Op Wikpedia kom ik nog nog de term 'rounding error' tegen. Zie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding_error , ook voor een uitgebreide uitleg over afronding in het algemeen.
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@Jarry: According to my Wikipedia reference, round-off error is the same as rounding error. Ergo: 'rounding' is the same as 'round-off', a process of adding 5 to the next digit and chopping (i.e. truncating) it, as Wikipedia puts it. This can result in rounding either up or down. Try it with 6.4 and 6.6, for example, by adding 0.5 and chopping/truncating to zero decimal places. The answer you suggested at 52 minutes , by the way, was also additionally suggested by me at 22 minutes. Or wasn't it there when you looked? ;-)
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@Jarry, re: "You did not suggest this answer; you suggested 'rounding errors', which is incorrect as a translation of "afrondingsverschillen". Are you suggesting that 'rounding' ias a correct translation of 'afrondingsverschillen'? Rounding is a numerical process. Rounding difference or rounding error is the result of the process. In the mathematical disciple of numerical analysis, by the way, difference and error can be regarded as meaning the same.
Peer comment(s):
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hirselina
: Wat is het systeem traag vandaag, kon je antwoord nog niet lezen toen ik het mijne intikte!
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Bedankt Hirselina.
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jarry (X)
: "Afronding" in Dutch can mean rounding either up or down. Your note added @ 22 min. was there all right, but 'rounding error' is just as inadequate as your first answer. I thought the asker would be quite capable of translating "verschillen". Amen!
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According to your own answers.com reference, rounding is the same as truncation (which, of course, is rounding down and is exactly what you're saying it isn't ). Who's talking about sanity on this site ;-) // Rounding what then?
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vic voskuil
: brrr....maar er is er maar eentje die het snelste goed antwoordde ;)
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Bedankt Vic.
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Dave Calderhead
: or even rounding discrepancies
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Thanks, Dave.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Jack for all your help and clear explanations!"
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10 mins
round-off differences
Due to round-off differences, a simple file comparison may not be appropriate to test the SDP output. It is then necessary to decode the BUFR files and ...
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Peer comment(s):
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Jack den Haan
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jarry (X)
: "Afronding" in Dutch can mean rounding either up or down. None of the dictionaries I consulted confirm the meaning of the verb 'to round off' as pertaining to the adjustment of figures, cjguy's opinion that "it sounds more English" notwithstanding!
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CJG (X)
: Although I would stick with rounding off - sounds more English and is also the term used in the Juridisch Lexicon
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Laurens Landkroon
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52 mins
rounding
"Afronding in Dutch can mean rounding either up or down!
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/euro_papers...
europapers11_en.htm
Conversion from the national currency unit to euro involves rounding to the nearest cent. Multiplication of amounts that have been rounded results in multiplication of the rounding differences.
Rounding Converting amounts between the euro and participating currency units will unavoidably cause rounding differences. The effects of these rounding differences vary from being merely a nuisance to being able to bring information processing to a halt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding
Common method
This method is commonly used, for example in accounting. It is the one generally taught in basic mathematics classes.
Decide which is the last digit to keep.
Increase it by 1 if the next digit is 5 or more (this is called rounding up)
Leave it the same if the next digit is 4 or less (this is called rounding down)
Example: 3.046 rounded to hundredths is 3.05 (because the next digit [6] is 5 or more).
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http://www.answers.com/rounding&r=67
2. Finance. The practice of shortening publicly disclosed information by adjusting a figure upward or downward to the nearest whole number. The practice simplifies disclosure in annual reports, for example, when zeroes are omitted, and conveys to the casual observer the same information as the fully expressed data.
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The Chambers Dictionary: "Round off: to finish off neatly; Round down: to lower ( a number) to the nearest convenient figure; Round up: to raise a number to the nearest convenient figure."
Collins English Dictionary: "Round off: (often followed by with) to complete esp. agreeably: We rounded off the evening with a brandy; Round down: to lower ( a number) to the nearest whole number or ten, hundred or thousand below it; Round up: to raise a number to the nearest whole number or ten, hundred or thousand above it.
Oxford Concise Dictionary: "1.- Round off: bring to a complete or symmetrical or well-ordered state. 2.- smooth out; blunt the corners or angles of."
None of these dictionaries gives a definition of the verb 'to round off' that is related to figures.
'Rounding' (noun) on the other hand is defined by (among others) the Chambers Dictionary as: "The process of raising (up) or lowering (down) a number to an approximation which has fewer decimal places".
And with that I close my case.
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/euro_papers...
europapers11_en.htm
Conversion from the national currency unit to euro involves rounding to the nearest cent. Multiplication of amounts that have been rounded results in multiplication of the rounding differences.
Rounding Converting amounts between the euro and participating currency units will unavoidably cause rounding differences. The effects of these rounding differences vary from being merely a nuisance to being able to bring information processing to a halt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding
Common method
This method is commonly used, for example in accounting. It is the one generally taught in basic mathematics classes.
Decide which is the last digit to keep.
Increase it by 1 if the next digit is 5 or more (this is called rounding up)
Leave it the same if the next digit is 4 or less (this is called rounding down)
Example: 3.046 rounded to hundredths is 3.05 (because the next digit [6] is 5 or more).
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-01-21 18:40:50 GMT)
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http://www.answers.com/rounding&r=67
2. Finance. The practice of shortening publicly disclosed information by adjusting a figure upward or downward to the nearest whole number. The practice simplifies disclosure in annual reports, for example, when zeroes are omitted, and conveys to the casual observer the same information as the fully expressed data.
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The Chambers Dictionary: "Round off: to finish off neatly; Round down: to lower ( a number) to the nearest convenient figure; Round up: to raise a number to the nearest convenient figure."
Collins English Dictionary: "Round off: (often followed by with) to complete esp. agreeably: We rounded off the evening with a brandy; Round down: to lower ( a number) to the nearest whole number or ten, hundred or thousand below it; Round up: to raise a number to the nearest whole number or ten, hundred or thousand above it.
Oxford Concise Dictionary: "1.- Round off: bring to a complete or symmetrical or well-ordered state. 2.- smooth out; blunt the corners or angles of."
None of these dictionaries gives a definition of the verb 'to round off' that is related to figures.
'Rounding' (noun) on the other hand is defined by (among others) the Chambers Dictionary as: "The process of raising (up) or lowering (down) a number to an approximation which has fewer decimal places".
And with that I close my case.
Peer comment(s):
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Tina Vonhof (X)
: rounding differences.
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Thanks for some sanity on this site.
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Jack den Haan
: I suggested this answer additionally at 22 mins. You posted this answer at 52 minutes. BTW, there's no difference between the two. Your "common method" amounts to same as adding half of the next unit and truncating back to the preceding unit.//See note.
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You did not suggest this answer; you suggested 'rounding errors', which is incorrect as a translation of "afrondingsverschillen".
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vic voskuil
: why all these disagrees with perfectly valid answers (yours is as well btw). Is it so difficult to see the difference between down and off? and afronden does not mean either up or down. It means off, ie one digit less.//STUIVERS, Jarry
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Van Dale: "Afronden; van getallen of bedragen: er zoveel bijvoegen of aftrekken dat zij op nul of vijf eindigen. Why all these 'neutrals' for a perfectly correct answer. Is it so difficult to look up a dictionary and find a definition of "afronden"?
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11thmuse
: met Tina
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Thank you
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Saskia Steur (X)
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Thank you Saskia
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Discussion
Van Dale: "Afronden; van getallen of bedragen: er zoveel bijvoegen of aftrekken dat zij op nul of vijf eindigen". If that doesn't confirm that "afronden" in Dutch means rounding up or down, nothingwill