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amontonarme con la manada

English translation: ...lumping me with the common herd

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Spanish term or phrase: amontonarme con la manada
English translation:...lumping me with the common herd
Entered by: Patricia Baldwin

17:13 Feb 7, 2004
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Literature = Poetry & Lit
Spanish term or phrase: amontonarme con la manada
Soy ejecutivo top, nunca cometas el desliz de amontonarme con la manada....
Ernesto Cao
...lumping me with the common herd
Explanation:
I`m part of the brass , never make the mistake of lumping me with the common herd.

My option, Mr Cao, Good Luck
Regards from Buenos Aires, Argentina

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Note added at 2004-02-08 18:24:44 (GMT)
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Note:
Even though I am an experienced literary translator, and I have been an SAT/GRE/GMAT/LAM grammar teacher for 15 years or so, as well as native speaker of both English and Spanish (I was raised in an Irish speaking speaking environment plus many years residing L.A. California)...
....I still back every single kudoz answer I tackle with sound references...out of sheer respect to the askers and fellow prozies.


\"lump me with the common herd\"...... is correct\"



REFERENCES:

1.
Native American and prestigious author : Shirley Sloan Fader

in her Business article:
\"Boss Talk:What your boss is trying to tell you\" printed in the leading US magazine \"Cosmopolitan\" Fall issue, page 146, we read:


\" ...of lumping me with the common herd.\"


also,

2.
Funk and Wagnalls Standard College Dicitionary
(US leading college dictionary)

to lump:
1. to put together
2. to consider or treat as one mass, group , etc

i.e. : to lump all the facts together


The preposition \"In\" accompanies verb \"to put\" and phrasal
verb \"to put together\" but not verb \"to lump\"
as in my example.

\"...lumping me with the common herd\"

3.

Oxford, Advanced Learner´s Dictionary of Current English:
to lump (vt)
to put together in one;
include a number of things under one heading;
i.e.:
The boys agreed to lump the expenses of their camping holiday
with their tuition fees.

i.e.:
Can we lump all these items under the heading \"incidental expenses\"?


Lastly, I shall repeat:

The preposition \"in\" accompanies verb \"to put\" and phrasal
verb \"to put together\" but not verb \"to lump\"
as in my example...

...\"lumping me with the common herd\"


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Note added at 2004-02-09 18:37:44 (GMT)
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Note:
My examples contain \"more\" than an X as in

e.g.:
can we lump all these items under the heading \"incidental
expenses\" ?
( x and Y) (items vs expenses)


e.g.:
The boys agreed to lump their expenses of their camping holidays with their tuition fees.
(x and y) (expenses vs tuition fees)


e.g.
of lumping me with the common herd
(x and y) (me vs the common herd)

: )))
Selected response from:

Patricia Baldwin
United States
Local time: 06:41
Grading comment
Graded automatically based on peer agreement.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5...lumping me with the common herd
Patricia Baldwin
5 -1getting lost in the herd
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)


  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
...lumping me with the common herd


Explanation:
I`m part of the brass , never make the mistake of lumping me with the common herd.

My option, Mr Cao, Good Luck
Regards from Buenos Aires, Argentina

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Note added at 2004-02-08 18:24:44 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Note:
Even though I am an experienced literary translator, and I have been an SAT/GRE/GMAT/LAM grammar teacher for 15 years or so, as well as native speaker of both English and Spanish (I was raised in an Irish speaking speaking environment plus many years residing L.A. California)...
....I still back every single kudoz answer I tackle with sound references...out of sheer respect to the askers and fellow prozies.


\"lump me with the common herd\"...... is correct\"



REFERENCES:

1.
Native American and prestigious author : Shirley Sloan Fader

in her Business article:
\"Boss Talk:What your boss is trying to tell you\" printed in the leading US magazine \"Cosmopolitan\" Fall issue, page 146, we read:


\" ...of lumping me with the common herd.\"


also,

2.
Funk and Wagnalls Standard College Dicitionary
(US leading college dictionary)

to lump:
1. to put together
2. to consider or treat as one mass, group , etc

i.e. : to lump all the facts together


The preposition \"In\" accompanies verb \"to put\" and phrasal
verb \"to put together\" but not verb \"to lump\"
as in my example.

\"...lumping me with the common herd\"

3.

Oxford, Advanced Learner´s Dictionary of Current English:
to lump (vt)
to put together in one;
include a number of things under one heading;
i.e.:
The boys agreed to lump the expenses of their camping holiday
with their tuition fees.

i.e.:
Can we lump all these items under the heading \"incidental expenses\"?


Lastly, I shall repeat:

The preposition \"in\" accompanies verb \"to put\" and phrasal
verb \"to put together\" but not verb \"to lump\"
as in my example...

...\"lumping me with the common herd\"


--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2004-02-09 18:37:44 (GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Note:
My examples contain \"more\" than an X as in

e.g.:
can we lump all these items under the heading \"incidental
expenses\" ?
( x and Y) (items vs expenses)


e.g.:
The boys agreed to lump their expenses of their camping holidays with their tuition fees.
(x and y) (expenses vs tuition fees)


e.g.
of lumping me with the common herd
(x and y) (me vs the common herd)

: )))

Patricia Baldwin
United States
Local time: 06:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 34
Grading comment
Graded automatically based on peer agreement.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Valentín Hernández Lima: As in, "I'll listen to and respect your views a lot more if you'll respect mine by not lumping me with people like that."
12 mins
  -> Hi Valentin, and thank you. The gist is just as you put it ...glad you´re around to enlighten us..Cheers to sunny Spain.
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): yes...lumping me in with the common herd...oh these prepositions
23 mins
  -> Hello and many thanks Jane. I humbly believe the verb "to lump" I chose to use here and as in "to lump all the facts together" does not call for the preposition "in" yet I do accept "In" when we say "to make lumps in or on" not the case here though.
agree  x-Translator (X)
2 hrs
  -> How are you Stella, I am really grateful. Enjoy your weekend
agree  Henrique Serra
3 hrs
  -> Obrigada! Nice to meet you, Henrique, happy weekend and regards to beautiful Brazil.
agree  Oso (X): Excelente respuesta, ejemplos y referencias **** ¡Cariños y hugz! ¶:^)
2 days 7 hrs
  -> Hola *ColOso* muy agradecida por su generoso agrí, hugz y cariños!
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
getting lost in the herd


Explanation:
that's the meaning

going along with what everyone else thinks...or does...:)

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Note added at 22 hrs 39 mins (2004-02-08 15:52:56 GMT)
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Note to Patricia:

Believe me to \"lump something or somebody in with\" in this context is better....
FOr example,

He didn\'t enjoy the class, because he was lumped in with all the beginners...
The free gifts were lumped together in the same category

The cake was bad because it had lumps in it.

We shouldn\'t lump everybody in the same category...

As a native English speaker with 25 years of writing experience, I can tell you that without \"in\", the phrasing does not sound good.

Of course, you can disagree......

All the best

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Note added at 22 hrs 45 mins (2004-02-08 15:58:58 GMT)
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RECAP:

to lump X or all X together
and
to lump X in with Y are two things.....the second is the one expressed by the poster in Spanish. And the second meaning must take IN in English where X and Y are different.,

Cheers....You are making me work hard but it helps me to avoid lumping [x] everything together. :)

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Note added at 22 hrs 47 mins (2004-02-08 16:00:54 GMT)
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TO lump x: He lumped all this clothes into a pile and disappeared out the backdoor.

TO lump x with y: He was always lumping his new folders in with his old folders, so he couldn\'t find either.

:)

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Note added at 1 day 22 hrs 8 mins (2004-02-09 15:21:46 GMT)
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Second note to Patricia:

All the examples you give are correct. The example from Cosmopolitan, however, is awkward. There are many ellipses or changes to English...so the Cosmopolitan example is OK but it is different from the other examples you gave which contain only an X. The fact that my ear tells me first and then I work out the difference by showing what I mean I find to be more valuable as a linguist than relying on dictionaries or grammars because i can \"prove\" my answer so to speak. Best to you.

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 44

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Valentín Hernández Lima: Sorry, wrong interpretation. This person is saying "do not think that I am in the same league with the other folks, as I am far superior to all of them"
4 mins
  -> yes I see that...I can see that now that I have reread it....Mine is incorrect and I like saying that when that is the case.
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