constatacion de una ruptura

English translation: verification or confirmation of a rupture

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Spanish term or phrase:constatacion de una ruptura
English translation:verification or confirmation of a rupture
Entered by: Julie Waddington

13:25 Jan 21, 2010
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Philosophy / history
Spanish term or phrase: constatacion de una ruptura
Por qué el Nunca Más argentino es normativo, a mi entender, es decir más bien la expresión de un deseo y no la constatación de una ruptura?. En definitiva, ¿qué hace que ciertos acontecimientos generen una historiografía a secas y no una historia del presente? O, para decirlo en términos del “presence paradigm”, ¿qué hace que ciertos acontecimientos generen un “absent-past” y no un “presence past”?
Pat nqn
verification or confirmation of a rupture
Explanation:
I would definitely retain the term "rupture" as this is a key term in philosophy.

"Rupture" is not the same as "break" and implies a much more nuanced understanding of temporality or the past/present: an understanding which is highlighted in the last part of your entry about the difference between an "absent-past" (one which could never be verified) and a "presence-past" (a past which is assumed to have once been present).

"Constatacion" could be translated as "verification" (the term pops up in this kind of context in the links below) or, indeed, as confirmation.

Hope that helps.


by FJ Pelletier - 1980
philosophy) 'archeological discontinuities/ruptures'. In one era, an ..... with its method of verification. Malcolm and most (but perhaps not all) ...
www.jstor.org/stable/25001035
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History of Structuralism: The sign sets, 1967-present - Google Books Result
by François Dosse - 1997 - Philosophy - 534 pages
"It seems to me that there was always an amorous attitude of rupture with philosophy. ... statistical tools, methods, concepts, and verification procedures. ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0816623716...

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Note added at 11 days (2010-02-02 08:38:05 GMT) Post-grading
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Gracias Pat. I'm glad the comment helped.
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Julie Waddington
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tks I liked your comment!! Another word that the philosopher in Spanish gave me is "breach"
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Summary of answers provided
4affirmation of a rupture
Kyle Burk (X)
4verification or confirmation of a rupture
Julie Waddington
3confirmation of a break
patinba
3ascertainment of a breaking point
patricia scott
3a statement (which says) that a break has occurred/that "it" will never be allowed to happen again
Bubo Coroman (X)


  

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confirmation of a break


Explanation:
with the past?

patinba
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ascertainment of a breaking point


Explanation:
maybe

patricia scott
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a statement (which says) that a break has occurred/that "it" will never be allowed to happen again


Explanation:
"it" referring to the same thing as "Nunca Más"

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affirmation of a rupture


Explanation:
I think affirmation is sligtly more apt here...closer to the original spirit of the phrase. And yes, I think Julie is right about retaining "rupture".

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verification or confirmation of a rupture


Explanation:
I would definitely retain the term "rupture" as this is a key term in philosophy.

"Rupture" is not the same as "break" and implies a much more nuanced understanding of temporality or the past/present: an understanding which is highlighted in the last part of your entry about the difference between an "absent-past" (one which could never be verified) and a "presence-past" (a past which is assumed to have once been present).

"Constatacion" could be translated as "verification" (the term pops up in this kind of context in the links below) or, indeed, as confirmation.

Hope that helps.


by FJ Pelletier - 1980
philosophy) 'archeological discontinuities/ruptures'. In one era, an ..... with its method of verification. Malcolm and most (but perhaps not all) ...
www.jstor.org/stable/25001035
#
History of Structuralism: The sign sets, 1967-present - Google Books Result
by François Dosse - 1997 - Philosophy - 534 pages
"It seems to me that there was always an amorous attitude of rupture with philosophy. ... statistical tools, methods, concepts, and verification procedures. ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0816623716...

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Note added at 11 days (2010-02-02 08:38:05 GMT) Post-grading
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Gracias Pat. I'm glad the comment helped.

Julie Waddington
Spain
Local time: 02:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 16
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tks I liked your comment!! Another word that the philosopher in Spanish gave me is "breach"
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