armas de fantasía

English translation: covert firearms

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Spanish term or phrase:armas de fantasía
English translation:covert firearms
Entered by: James A. Walsh

09:56 May 1, 2009
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Military / Defense / Arms Control
Spanish term or phrase: armas de fantasía
This appears in an Article from a State Act regarding the control of Arms in Chile. Here is the context:

ARTÍCULO 3.- Ninguna persona podrá poseer o tener armas largas cuyos cañones hayan sido recortados, armas cortas de cualquier calibre que funcionen en forma totalmente automática, **armas de fantasía**, entendiéndose por tales aquéllas que se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva; armas cuyos números de serie se encuentren adulterados o borrados; ametralladoras, subametralladoras; metralletas o cualquiera otra arma automática y semiautomática de mayor poder destructor o efectividad, sea por su potencia, por el calibre de sus proyectiles o por sus dispositivos de puntería.

Could this be REPLICA FIREARMS?

Thanks in advance.
James A. Walsh
Spain
Local time: 02:24
disguised weapons/firearms
Explanation:
Also known as chameleon or covert weapons/firearms.

I must admit my first thought was the same as yours - replica firearms. But those are armas de fogueo, and one blogger here explains the difference:

Cualquiera podría pensar que un arma de fogueo es un arma de fantasia... no señores!!!.. un arma de fantasia es cualquier arma que , como dice la ley, se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva.... estas armas de fantasia pueden ser:

Un lapiz que dentro de su cuerpo trae una punta y puede generar daños
Un baston (tipico de las peliculas) que al abrirlo sale un sable.
Una tarjeta de credito que un borde tiene un filo tipo "gillette", etc etc etc... cualquier weon lo entiende.

http://www.antronio.com/comunidad/f7/armas-no-letales-q-cont...

I know this is just an informal blog, but it is backed up by the definition given in Article 3 itself - "aquéllas que se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva".

These references give disguised weapons (and variant terms) for exactly the same kind of thing:

Disguised Weapons: The Law Enforcement Guide to Covert Guns ...Disguised Weapons: The Law Enforcement Guide to Covert Guns, Knives and Other Weapons: Craig Meissner: Amazon.co.uk: Books.
www.amazon.co.uk/Disguised-Weapons-Enforcement-Covert-Knive... - 165k - Cached - Similar pages

Gun Law | Firearms Law | Weapons LawThe exemption provided to other antique firearms also applies to disguised weapons, and is discussed under ‘Rifles.' There is a common view that any firearm ...
www.firearmsexpert.co.uk/disguised_firearms.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Schneier on Security: Chameleon WeaponsDisguised weapons heave been around for ages. (Think of the sword in the cane .... Why take disguised weapons onto the flight when you can buy knifes made ...
www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/03/chameleon_weapo.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

British Library Direct: Design of disguised weapons `is only ...Order from the British Library: Design of disguised weapons `is only limited by imagination'
direct.bl.uk/research/18/2F/RN149747124.html - Similar pages

The name is Bond, James Bond. Or is that Walsh?
Selected response from:

David Ronder
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:24
Grading comment
Thanks again David, I'm going for "covert" here, as it just fits into the context perfectly.
And thanks to everyone else for your time and efforts too :))
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5disguised weapons/firearms
David Ronder
3 +1fantasy-like weapons
Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
3"toy" weapons OR toy weapons; imatation weapons
Michael Powers (PhD)
3concealed weapon
John Cutler
Summary of reference entries provided
disguised
T o b i a s

  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
fantasy-like weapons


Explanation:
REMSSA S.A CHILE - [ Traducir esta página ]Chilean citizens coming back to Chile, won't have to pay duties or taxes for the ... Fantasy-like weapons, meaning those that appear to be harmless. ...
www.remssa.cl/eng/contenidos.php?pg=normativa_aduana - 13k - En caché - Páginas similares
Unipack S.A. - International Movers - [ Traducir esta página ]Foreign citizens Coming to Chile with a Temporary Residence Visa or Work Visa, ... Fantasy-like weapons, meaning those that appear to be harmless. ...
www.unipack.cl/info_regulaciones_ing.htm - 33k - En caché - Páginas similares

Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
Spain
Local time: 02:24
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 37

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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
"toy" weapons OR toy weapons; imatation weapons


Explanation:
Guns in Iraq - Daily bulletin from Gun Policy News
The gun was plastic, and the boys were following a local Iraqi military order to surrender all toy weapons -- an effort to prevent children from being ...
www.gunpolicy.org/Topics/Guns_In_Iraq.html - 141k - Cached - Similar pages -


Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
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Native speaker of: English
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
disguised weapons/firearms


Explanation:
Also known as chameleon or covert weapons/firearms.

I must admit my first thought was the same as yours - replica firearms. But those are armas de fogueo, and one blogger here explains the difference:

Cualquiera podría pensar que un arma de fogueo es un arma de fantasia... no señores!!!.. un arma de fantasia es cualquier arma que , como dice la ley, se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva.... estas armas de fantasia pueden ser:

Un lapiz que dentro de su cuerpo trae una punta y puede generar daños
Un baston (tipico de las peliculas) que al abrirlo sale un sable.
Una tarjeta de credito que un borde tiene un filo tipo "gillette", etc etc etc... cualquier weon lo entiende.

http://www.antronio.com/comunidad/f7/armas-no-letales-q-cont...

I know this is just an informal blog, but it is backed up by the definition given in Article 3 itself - "aquéllas que se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva".

These references give disguised weapons (and variant terms) for exactly the same kind of thing:

Disguised Weapons: The Law Enforcement Guide to Covert Guns ...Disguised Weapons: The Law Enforcement Guide to Covert Guns, Knives and Other Weapons: Craig Meissner: Amazon.co.uk: Books.
www.amazon.co.uk/Disguised-Weapons-Enforcement-Covert-Knive... - 165k - Cached - Similar pages

Gun Law | Firearms Law | Weapons LawThe exemption provided to other antique firearms also applies to disguised weapons, and is discussed under ‘Rifles.' There is a common view that any firearm ...
www.firearmsexpert.co.uk/disguised_firearms.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Schneier on Security: Chameleon WeaponsDisguised weapons heave been around for ages. (Think of the sword in the cane .... Why take disguised weapons onto the flight when you can buy knifes made ...
www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/03/chameleon_weapo.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

British Library Direct: Design of disguised weapons `is only ...Order from the British Library: Design of disguised weapons `is only limited by imagination'
direct.bl.uk/research/18/2F/RN149747124.html - Similar pages

The name is Bond, James Bond. Or is that Walsh?


David Ronder
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:24
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thanks again David, I'm going for "covert" here, as it just fits into the context perfectly.
And thanks to everyone else for your time and efforts too :))
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Q :)) These options seem by far the most fitting for my context. I particularly like "covert" here, which would fit in very neatly indeed -"covert firearms - meaning those disguised under apparently harmless appearances". I've also been reading quite a lot about "improvised firearms", which could work here too. Thanks again for your help, much appreciated. I better go, they're tracking me and I think my terminal is about to self-destruct :))


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agree  Lisa McCarthy
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agree  T o b i a s
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agree  G3RMAN D3LAR05A
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
concealed weapon


Explanation:
I think these are real weapons and not toys, etc. According to the definition in your text, they only APPEAR to be harmless.

Here's your definition:
Entendiéndose por tales aquéllas que se esconden bajo una apariencia inofensiva.

I think the key phrase is "se esconden"

Here's a definition of concealed weapon in English:
4—Concealed weapon
An article that appears to be harmless but that conceals a knife, spike or other weapon.
http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/SUMMARY OFFENCES (DA...

Here's an extract from an article in Spanish which uses arma de fantasia as a synonym for a hidden/concealed weapon:

"...El detenido habría reaccionado sacando un revólver de entre sus ropas, con el que amenazó a la mujer, en los precisos instantes que efectivos de la Comisión Civil pasaban por el sector. Los carabineros reaccionaron y redujeron al menor, encontrándole el arma oculta a la altura de la cintura.
...Según él, portaba el arma de fantasía para defenderse de posibles asaltos en su población. Fue puesto a disposición del Segundo Juzgado del Crimen de Concepción."
http://www.cronica.cl/edicion_cronica/seccion/articulo.php?i...

John Cutler
Spain
Local time: 02:24
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks John, this is a very viable option here too. Much appreciated :)

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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: disguised

Reference information:
e.g. "Tulsa police are expressing concern about a new gun that resembles a cellular telephone. Officers are worried that the disguised weapons could be overlooked during traffic stops and airports. "If this cell phone went through a magnometer, it could probably pass, but it couldn't perform functions of a cell phone," Sgt. Wayne Allen of the Tulsa Police Department said."


    Reference: http://www.gunpolicy.org/Articles/2001/090801.html
T o b i a s
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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