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ante un hipotético abandono

English translation: in the event of a hypothetical drop-out

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Spanish term or phrase:ante un hipotético abandono
English translation:in the event of a hypothetical drop-out
Entered by: SZM

18:53 Feb 9, 2010
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Education / Pedagogy / Tema relacionado a la UE
Spanish term or phrase: ante un hipotético abandono
"Se propone un cambio en los estudios tanto escolares como universitarios, de forma que se pueda complementar, ante un hipotético abandono, con programas de formación profesional que puedan facilitar la incorporación al mercado laboral."

Comprendo cada palabra, pero no tengo idea de que quiere decir "hipotético abandono" en este contexto.
?Me hacéis el favor de explicarlo?
Muchas gracias
SZM
Local time: 10:35
in the event of a hypothetical drop-out
Explanation:
El texto dice "ante" un hipotético abandono, no "antes". Es decir, no se refiere a tiempo (before drop-out takes place) sino a la posibilidad de que se produzca el abandono.
Selected response from:

Sonia Castelli
Argentina
Local time: 05:35
Grading comment
Sí, ya veo que no se refiere a tiempo sino a posibilidad.
Muchas gracias a Sonia y a todos.

He encontrado la versión inglesa:
"A change in both school and university curricula is suggested, so that they can be complemented by vocational training programmes that would facilitate entry into the labour market for those who might leave early."
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3in the face of a hypothetical drop-out
margaret caulfield
5 +2in the event of a hypothetical drop-out
Sonia Castelli
5 +1before a hypotetical drop-out takes place
Carolina Brito
3 +3faced with a potential drop-out
HugoSteckel
5before a drop-out occurs
Carolina Brito
4in a drop-out scenario/for drop-out scenarios
James A. Walsh


Discussion entries: 2





  

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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
before a hypotetical drop-out takes place


Explanation:
option

Carolina Brito
United States
Local time: 03:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Xenia Wong
1 min
  -> thanks
agree  Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.)
3 mins
  -> thanks
neutral  Cinnamon Nolan: Spelling: hypotHetical. Also hypotHetic (more in the US, I believe). 'Before a potential drop-out takes place' is good phrasing.
12 mins
  -> entirely correct and thanks
disagree  margaret caulfield: If it's hypothetical, it's assumed that it's not actually going to take place. It's just something considered. By saying "before.... takes place", this implies that it WILL take place.
17 mins
  -> how about: before a drop-out occurs
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
faced with a potential drop-out


Explanation:
Another way of putting it.

HugoSteckel
Switzerland
Local time: 10:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  margaret caulfield: "potential" (possibility) is completely different to "hypothetical" (imaginary case)
2 mins
  -> I disagree, in this case. if this is a "norma" for dealing with a particular case at a school, it would mean the same thing (and be twice as natural) to say a potential drop-out. I doubt, in this case, it is a question of scientific hypothesis.
agree  Cinnamon Nolan: I think this is better in English. (Faced with an imaginary drop-out" makes no sense here.) [Your comment hadn't been posted yet when I added this.]
8 mins
  -> thanks, cinammon. that's the point I was trying (and failing) to make to Margaret, above.
agree  Jenni Lukac (X): I believe that this is what the author wanted to communicate.
1 hr
  -> thank you, Jenni
agree  Julie Waddington: Also agree this sounds more natural in English while still communicating same idea.
18 hrs
  -> thank you, julie
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
in the face of a hypothetical drop-out


Explanation:
My version here.

margaret caulfield
Local time: 10:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  bcsantos
6 mins
  -> Thanks, bc.
agree  Natalia Pedrosa (X)
1 hr
  -> Gracias, Natalia.
agree  axies: ante=frente a=faced with.
6 hrs
  -> Gracias, Manuel.
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38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
in the event of a hypothetical drop-out


Explanation:
El texto dice "ante" un hipotético abandono, no "antes". Es decir, no se refiere a tiempo (before drop-out takes place) sino a la posibilidad de que se produzca el abandono.

Sonia Castelli
Argentina
Local time: 05:35
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Sí, ya veo que no se refiere a tiempo sino a posibilidad.
Muchas gracias a Sonia y a todos.

He encontrado la versión inglesa:
"A change in both school and university curricula is suggested, so that they can be complemented by vocational training programmes that would facilitate entry into the labour market for those who might leave early."

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sonia Hill: I would simply say "in the event of a drop-out", as "in the event of..." already indicates that it is hypothetical.
47 mins
  -> You are right, thanks!
agree  Eva Obregon: although I'd leave out "hypothetical" since "in the event" already indicates that the drop-out is hypothetical... don't you think?
15 hrs
  -> Yes, thank you!
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
in a drop-out scenario/for drop-out scenarios


Explanation:
My reading of it. I would change the sentence structure.

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-02-09 20:26:37 GMT)
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OR "in drop-out scenarios"

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-02-09 20:28:09 GMT)
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Spanish-English Dictionary (Granada University, Spain), 9.9

hipotético
= hypothetical, speculative, what-if.
Ex: Let us illustrate these terms by a hypothetical situation.
Ex: However, much of the published literature on this issue is speculative.
Ex: Several 'what-if' cases are also discussed.
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* situación hipotética = scenario.


Example sentence(s):
  • ...a change in both school and university studies, so as to follow up with training programs that facilitate incorporation into the job market in a drop-out scenario/for drop-out scenarios

    Reference: http://www.google.es/search?q=university+drop-out+scenario&b...
James A. Walsh
Spain
Local time: 10:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 87
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
before a drop-out occurs


Explanation:
another possibility

Carolina Brito
United States
Local time: 03:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28
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