los estudios generales de medios

English translation: general media evaluations

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Spanish term or phrase:los estudios generales de medios
English translation:general media evaluations
Entered by: Laurel Thompson

23:31 Nov 18, 2007
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Marketing - Advertising / Public Relations
Spanish term or phrase: los estudios generales de medios
Los servicios que prestará la AGENCIA, como agencia de servicios de publicidad, consistirán en analizar los estudios generales de medios, en el seguimiento de la presión de las marcas de la EMPRESA y de la competencia, etc., en la preparación, programación, planificación, compra y ejecución de medios para las campañas publicitarias, durante el tiempo de vigencia del mismo.
Laurel Thompson
United States
Local time: 21:30
general media evaluations
Explanation:
It might be tempting to say "general media studies" but you can't because "media studies" isn't something an ad agency does, it's a subject you study at school.

You also can't say "media analysis" because immediately before this source term you have "analizar" so you don't want to end up saying "analyze the media analysis/analyses."

"Media evaluations" is a good choice because that's something ad agencies actually do:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="media evaluations" adv...

"The services of the AGENCY, as advertising services agency, shall consist of analyzing general media evaluations, as part of monitoring the COMPANY'S and the competition's brand penetration, for the preparation, programming, planning, buying, and production of media for advertising campaigns, during the time of its validity."





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Michael Powers has requested examples to show that advertising agencies talk more about "media" rather than "the media".

We all know that "the media" is a non-specialist term which refers the mass telecommunications industry as a whole -- ie, radio, television, magazines and newspapers.

While ad agencies may occasionally talk about "the media" as a whole in this non-specialist sense, more often than not they talk instead about "media" (without the article), which has several specialized meanings in the context of the advertising industry:

(1) Every ad agency has two main departments: creative and media. The media department (or just "media" for short) is responsible for purchasing space (in magazines and newspapers) and time (on television and radio) on behalf of the ad agency's clients.

"He works in media" is a common phrase in advertising:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "works in media"...

Note that "he works in THE media" would be wrong here (unless you're saying "he works in the media DEPARTMENT", where "the" modifies "department" and not "media."

(2) Media is also something that an ad agency buys, as in the NOUN phrases "media buy(s)/purchase(s)," or evaluates/analyzes (as in "media evaluation/analysis"), or plans (as in "media plan").

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media buy"&btnG...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media buys"&btn...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media purchase"...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media purchases...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media plan"&btn...

An agency can also make a "media kit," or a "media recommendation," or a "media strategy."

(3) In addition, in all the meanings used in the source term, "media" can be "prepared, programmed, planned, bought, produced" (and "evaluated"). Each of these meanings extends the sense of "media (not "THE media") in slightly different directions.

When an agency talks about "producing" or "preparing" media, they're talking actual implementation -- producing camera-ready art, or an audio or video tape, or banners or signage or whatever. (They actually don't say it this way very often -- but they rarely talk about preparing or producing "THE media.")

When they talk about "programming" media, they're talking about scheduling something to get on the air. (Again, they would rarely say "programming THE media" here.)

I think you get the picture here. For ad agencies, "media" is their stock-in-trade, it's something they buy (from newspapers, magazines, radio stations, TV stations) and mark up and sell -- or it's something they analyze and evaluate and plan.

To see how rarely "the media" is talked about in day-to-day operations of an ad agency, try googling ["advertising agency" "the media"]:

http://www.google.com/search?q="advertising agency" "the med...

You get lots of hits, but none of them talk about "media" in the senses above: either it's a tangential mention of "the media" in relations to advertising agencies in general, or it's phrases like "the media plan" or "the media portion" where "the" modifies the noun that comes after "media" (which is now an attributive adjective).




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Michael Power's further comment ("Nonsense. I have cited only a few of thousands of hits in which "buy the media" refers to the traditional advertising media.") is also unfounded.

The hits that came up in that case do not refer to what advertising agencies do as part of their business. As I said earlier, one major activity of an ad agency is doing "media buys" -- where they purchase space in a newspaper/magazine or time on a TV/radio station (which they then mark up and bill their clients for). This is half of what an ad agency does -- "media buys." (The other half is "creative production" where the agency designs and creates content.)

On closer reading of these hits involving "buy the media", it can be seen that they do NOT refer to this advertising agency activity. Instead, the hits cited refer to the act of a consumer purchasing an invididual printed or recorded item from a particular company ("If you like a broadcast you've recorded, please buy the media!", "Buy the Media - Local Newsletter. 50.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Radio Show. 100.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Television Show. 150.00 USD").

These uses have nothing to do with the advertising sense of "buying media."

There is only one citation given ("Buy the Media. Take the Call. Process the Order.") which talks about what an advertising agency does. But this is obviously a once-off use, because of the context, where it occurs in the middle of other phrases involving "the".

Bottom line: the translation here needs something like "media analyses" or "media evaluations," which are things ad agencies do. There is no need to plead for finding a longer, less-commonly-used phrase involving "the media" because "analyze the evaluations of the media" or "analyze the studies of the media" simply would not work as translations for the source term, which is the main issue here.

Translations such as "analyze general media evaluations" (best) or "analyze general media studies" (ok but not so good because "media studies" is a subject in school) work much better for the given source term and its context.

I'm not going to post any more on this because I think I've given quite enough citations as well as phrases I recollect from the five years that I worked at an advertising agency.
Selected response from:

Donald Scott Alexander
Local time: 02:30
Grading comment
Thanks to all!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3general media evaluations
Donald Scott Alexander
5 +1media analysis
Marco Ramón
5general media research
Maria Gustafson
4 -1the general studies of the media; the general studies of the resources (means)
Michael Powers (PhD)


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
media analysis


Explanation:
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Marco Ramón
Mexico
Local time: 19:30
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

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agree  Maria523
10 hrs
  -> Gracias Maria
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27 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
the general studies of the media; the general studies of the resources (means)


Explanation:
Mike :)

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Note added at 28 mins (2007-11-19 00:00:05 GMT)
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Tomas L. West, III. Spanish-English Dictionary of Business and Law.

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-19 00:52:41 GMT)
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Note - "the media"

Journalism
Television, Newspapers, Radio, Magazines, Internet ...... "Do you think the media are out of touch with average Americans, or are they generally in touch? ...
www.pollingreport.com/media.htm - 359k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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"buy the media" with traditional media, such as newspapers, radio, TV, magazines:

Buy the Media! | Permaculture & Alcohol Can Be A Gas
Buy the Media - Local Newsletter $50; Buy the Media - Radio Show $100; Buy the Media - Television Show $150 · Buy the Media - Quarter City $1000 ...
www.permaculture.com/book_menu/360/277/194/285 - 36k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Buy The Media! | Permaculture & Alcohol Can Be A Gas
Buy the Media - Local Newsletter. 50.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Radio Show. 100.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Television Show. 150.00 USD ...
www.permaculture.com/store/buythemedia - 35k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
[ More results from www.permaculture.com ]
ClickZ: The Media Revolution, Powered by Search Networks, Part 2 ...
Like newspapers, magazines have some premium ad spaces, such as inside the front ... Radio ad spots, like TV spots, are already produced and delivered in ...
www.clickz.com/3548911 - 77k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
MediaPost Publications - Networks vs. Sites: The Media Debate - 09 ...
But the online ad networks also still remain major players in the space, as do rep firms for newspapers, magazines, and local radio and TV stations in the ...
publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=7612 - 33k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Internet TV - MediaZone
MediaZone is Internet TV with sports, international and entertainment ... A: As soon as you click buy, the media file begins to download or stream. ...
www.mediazone.com/mediazone/faq.jsp - 49k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
MediaPower Company Profile
At MediaPower, we’re experts in radio promotion, presentation and placement. ... Radio and TV Production. Buy the Media. Take the Call. Process the Order ...
www.mediapower.com/services.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Disclaimer: Streaming Media Recording
AUDIBLE download audio books, audio magazines, newspapers, radio programs ... If you like a broadcast you've recorded, please buy the media! ...
all-streaming-media.com/disclaimer.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
ExtremeTech Discussions - The Brave New World of Windows Media ...
Do I have to buy the Media Center OS? What are the advantages of Media Center? Last question, I bought a cheap tv tuner card and will not put it back into ...
discuss.extremetech.com/forums/1004296091/ShowPost.aspx - 76k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
allAfrica.com: South Africa: Bid for Johncom 'Lacks Financial ...
... made up of high-profile government officials, had made an offer to buy the media company's assets, which include Sunday Times and 50% of Business Day, ...
allafrica.com/stories/200711060422.html - Similar pages - Note this
John Dugdale's favourite media books | Top 10s | Guardian ...
The Radio Companion by Paul Donovan A unique and authoritative reference work, ... which inspired a similar satirical study of the BSB and L!ve TV fiascos. ...
books.guardian.co.uk/top10s/top10/0,,99686,00.html - 43k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 21:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 68

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Donald Scott Alexander: In advertising you prepare, program, plan, produce and (mostly) BUY "media" -- not "the media" which is our telecommunications systems taken as a whole. And "resources" or "means" are not translations of "medios" in the advertising sense.
7 mins
  -> Now that you have explained that you worked at an advertising agency for five years, your criticism is more credible. I (we) didn't know that. Experience is extremely important. Now I know your opinion has some professional backing. Thank you - Mike :)
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53 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
general media evaluations


Explanation:
It might be tempting to say "general media studies" but you can't because "media studies" isn't something an ad agency does, it's a subject you study at school.

You also can't say "media analysis" because immediately before this source term you have "analizar" so you don't want to end up saying "analyze the media analysis/analyses."

"Media evaluations" is a good choice because that's something ad agencies actually do:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="media evaluations" adv...

"The services of the AGENCY, as advertising services agency, shall consist of analyzing general media evaluations, as part of monitoring the COMPANY'S and the competition's brand penetration, for the preparation, programming, planning, buying, and production of media for advertising campaigns, during the time of its validity."





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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-19 01:13:46 GMT)
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Michael Powers has requested examples to show that advertising agencies talk more about "media" rather than "the media".

We all know that "the media" is a non-specialist term which refers the mass telecommunications industry as a whole -- ie, radio, television, magazines and newspapers.

While ad agencies may occasionally talk about "the media" as a whole in this non-specialist sense, more often than not they talk instead about "media" (without the article), which has several specialized meanings in the context of the advertising industry:

(1) Every ad agency has two main departments: creative and media. The media department (or just "media" for short) is responsible for purchasing space (in magazines and newspapers) and time (on television and radio) on behalf of the ad agency's clients.

"He works in media" is a common phrase in advertising:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "works in media"...

Note that "he works in THE media" would be wrong here (unless you're saying "he works in the media DEPARTMENT", where "the" modifies "department" and not "media."

(2) Media is also something that an ad agency buys, as in the NOUN phrases "media buy(s)/purchase(s)," or evaluates/analyzes (as in "media evaluation/analysis"), or plans (as in "media plan").

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media buy"&btnG...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media buys"&btn...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media purchase"...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media purchases...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=agency "media plan"&btn...

An agency can also make a "media kit," or a "media recommendation," or a "media strategy."

(3) In addition, in all the meanings used in the source term, "media" can be "prepared, programmed, planned, bought, produced" (and "evaluated"). Each of these meanings extends the sense of "media (not "THE media") in slightly different directions.

When an agency talks about "producing" or "preparing" media, they're talking actual implementation -- producing camera-ready art, or an audio or video tape, or banners or signage or whatever. (They actually don't say it this way very often -- but they rarely talk about preparing or producing "THE media.")

When they talk about "programming" media, they're talking about scheduling something to get on the air. (Again, they would rarely say "programming THE media" here.)

I think you get the picture here. For ad agencies, "media" is their stock-in-trade, it's something they buy (from newspapers, magazines, radio stations, TV stations) and mark up and sell -- or it's something they analyze and evaluate and plan.

To see how rarely "the media" is talked about in day-to-day operations of an ad agency, try googling ["advertising agency" "the media"]:

http://www.google.com/search?q="advertising agency" "the med...

You get lots of hits, but none of them talk about "media" in the senses above: either it's a tangential mention of "the media" in relations to advertising agencies in general, or it's phrases like "the media plan" or "the media portion" where "the" modifies the noun that comes after "media" (which is now an attributive adjective).




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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-19 01:29:49 GMT)
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Michael Power's further comment ("Nonsense. I have cited only a few of thousands of hits in which "buy the media" refers to the traditional advertising media.") is also unfounded.

The hits that came up in that case do not refer to what advertising agencies do as part of their business. As I said earlier, one major activity of an ad agency is doing "media buys" -- where they purchase space in a newspaper/magazine or time on a TV/radio station (which they then mark up and bill their clients for). This is half of what an ad agency does -- "media buys." (The other half is "creative production" where the agency designs and creates content.)

On closer reading of these hits involving "buy the media", it can be seen that they do NOT refer to this advertising agency activity. Instead, the hits cited refer to the act of a consumer purchasing an invididual printed or recorded item from a particular company ("If you like a broadcast you've recorded, please buy the media!", "Buy the Media - Local Newsletter. 50.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Radio Show. 100.00 USD. Add to Cart · Buy the Media - Television Show. 150.00 USD").

These uses have nothing to do with the advertising sense of "buying media."

There is only one citation given ("Buy the Media. Take the Call. Process the Order.") which talks about what an advertising agency does. But this is obviously a once-off use, because of the context, where it occurs in the middle of other phrases involving "the".

Bottom line: the translation here needs something like "media analyses" or "media evaluations," which are things ad agencies do. There is no need to plead for finding a longer, less-commonly-used phrase involving "the media" because "analyze the evaluations of the media" or "analyze the studies of the media" simply would not work as translations for the source term, which is the main issue here.

Translations such as "analyze general media evaluations" (best) or "analyze general media studies" (ok but not so good because "media studies" is a subject in school) work much better for the given source term and its context.

I'm not going to post any more on this because I think I've given quite enough citations as well as phrases I recollect from the five years that I worked at an advertising agency.

Donald Scott Alexander
Local time: 02:30
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
Thanks to all!

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general media research


Explanation:
When it refers to studies. it's referring to research in this case


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Maria Gustafson
United States
Local time: 20:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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