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"10数億"

English translation: over a billion

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Japanese term or phrase:"10数億"
English translation:over a billion
Entered by: Germaine A Hoston

00:47 Jun 19, 2009
Japanese to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Finance (general)
Japanese term or phrase: "10数億"
Is this 10 x 100 million? The context is a very short sentence in an interview about a company's losses in 2008: 赤字幅10数億。

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Germaine A Hoston
Local time: 20:07
over a billion
Explanation:
A billion and something.

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Note added at 3 heures (2009-06-19 04:20:50 GMT)
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sounds more natural to me
Selected response from:

Geraldine Oudin
United Kingdom
Grading comment
Thank you! This sounds most natural in English.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2over a billion
Geraldine Oudin
3 +2one billion and several hundred million
Mitch Suzuki
4one billion and hundreds of millions (of yen or dollars)
Katsushi Saito
3Ten several hundred million
Yasutomo Kanazawa
3several billion
Keizai
4 -2several billion yen
Daniel Morales
2more than one billion
Lixiang LIU
Summary of reference entries provided
FYR
cinefil

Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
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several billion yen


Explanation:
It just means it could be in the range from 10 to 19億円.

I've included a link to ALC where the phrase 10数 is used. Sometimes people just go with 10, other times it's 10-odd. I guess you could translate this as "a loss of profits in the range of several billions of yen". Probably something smoother than that.

http://eow.alc.co.jp/10数/UTF-8/?ref=sa

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-06-19 01:56:43 GMT)
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Hmm...I think "a billion yen or more" might be closer.

Daniel Morales
Japan
Local time: 12:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yasutomo Kanazawa: Sorry Daniel, your interpretation is correct, but your answer is wrong. Several billion yen would be 数十億. Please refer to my answer below.
2 hrs
  -> Yeah, I slightly changed my answer in the note. What did you think of that? "a billion yen or more" I think gets pretty close.
disagree  Katsushi Saito: “10数億 = 十数億” is entirely different than “数10億 = 数十億”.
16 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
more than one billion


Explanation:
just guess

Lixiang LIU
China
Local time: 11:07
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  bentkovsky: over 1 billion
55 mins
disagree  Yasutomo Kanazawa: Sorry chrislau, more than one billion is too vague. Your suggestion could mean 10 billion, even 2 billion, which is bigger than 十数億.
58 mins
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Ten several hundred million


Explanation:
Since the above number could be anything like 1.1 or 1.9 billion, maybe this would be clearer to understand.

Yasutomo Kanazawa
Japan
Local time: 12:07
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daniel Morales: "ten several hundred million" doesn't sound very natural in the English. Maybe it could be "as much as 2 billion"?
1 hr
  -> Sorry, ur last part doesn't support your argument. Ten several hundred million does NOT equal to 2 billion. 2 billion is 20億。 Several hundred million would be 数千万 and if you multiply ten, the answer would be 十数億。As Mr. Suzuki pointed out below 6 Goo hits.
agree  danielmorale (X): 6 google hits is not a lot, and it sounds terrible. "one billion and several hundred million" is much better, but I still think that "at least 1 billion and as much as 2 billion" is fine since １０数億 is fundamentally a vague number.
9 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
over a billion


Explanation:
A billion and something.

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Note added at 3 heures (2009-06-19 04:20:50 GMT)
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sounds more natural to me

Geraldine Oudin
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you! This sounds most natural in English.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  seika
12 hrs
agree  Miho Ohashi: This sounds just fine to me for such a vague expression as 10数億.
20 hrs
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
one billion and several hundred million


Explanation:
Another possiblity.
5 hits “one billion and several hundred million”
6 hits "Ten several hundred million"
in google.

Mitch Suzuki
Local time: 12:07
Native speaker of: Japanese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Katsushi Saito: I think it is OK.
11 hrs
agree  Yumico Tanaka (X): This is the answer to the question.
22 hrs
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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
one billion and hundreds of millions (of yen or dollars)


Explanation:
Remember to write down a proper currency unit, as required.
I basically agree with Suzuki-san’s suggestion.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2009-06-19 18:11:27 GMT)
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Another option is one billion and a few hundred million (yen or dollars).

Katsushi Saito
Japan
Local time: 12:07
Native speaker of: Japanese
PRO pts in category: 22
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1 day 5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
several billion


Explanation:
no currency kanji included, so by itself does not mean yen, dollars (as part of a E > Jpn translation document), EUR or other.
also, 億 = 10^8; and 10億 = 10^1 x 10^8 = 10^9, i.e., billion; but the current case of "several 10s" of 10^8, means something like 1.3bil, 1.4 bil; but unless the writer is being precise, the spoken meaning is indefinite whether this expression refers to say 3bil, 4, bil, etc.; or say 1.3bil, 1.4 bil. since it is a finance context the writer may indeed mean the later but without further context hard to say which.

Keizai
Japan
Local time: 12:07
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Reference comments


6 hrs
Reference: FYR

Reference information:
http://www.whiteknightlogic.net/kanjidb/kanji_pages/kb2af.ph...
http://jpn.proz.com/kudoz/japanese_to_english/other/1918954-...


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Note added at 6時間 (2009-06-19 07:02:51 GMT)
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数千億円 > several hundred billion yen
(KudoZ) 日本語 から 英語 translation of 数千億円: several hundred billion yen [ その他 (マーケティング)]. ... 1日6時間 自信度： Answerer confidence 3/5. several hundred billion yen. 説明： ...or alternatively, hundreds of billions of yen ...
jpn.proz.com/kudoz/...to.../1918954-数千億円.html - キャッシュ - 類似ページ

cinefil
Japan
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
PRO pts in category: 68
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