arginata

English translation: enclosed

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Italian term or phrase:	arginata
English translation:	enclosed
Entered by:	Peter Waymel

17:11 Sep 14, 2012

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion

Italian term or phrase: arginata

"Non c’è un preciso tempo per esprimere il desiderio e il desiderare perché, come dice Gesù, ognuno parla dalla pienezza del cuore; le civiltà, che nella pienezza del loro cuore non hanno la cultura spirituale di coltivare il desiderio e il desiderare, non hanno ovviamente nemmeno una forma verbale utile ed efficace per esprimerlo. È solo concependo la vita arginata tra passato e futuro che si sperimenta spiritualmente e mentalmente l’angoscia della mancanza, di ogni mancanza."

Is "walled-off from the past and the future" sufficient, or is there a better way of expressing the term?

(I understand the phrase as referring to the inability to conceive of the future, or perhaps better an anguish that comes when one realizes one is somehow cut off from the future. The author refers to a lack of transcendency in some cultures, lack of forethought or thought of the future. Honestly I'm not exactly sure I'm understanding this author.)

Thanks,

Peter

Peter Waymel KudoZ activity Questions: 489 (1 open) (1 without valid answers) (12 closed without grading) Answers: 2 Italy
Local time: 08:16

enclosed

Explanation:
I would just say it that way and not worry about finding an English equivalent that has to do with embankments - because I don't think there is one.

Selected response from:

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 07:16

Grading comment

Thanks Tom! I thought all the answers were good, and acceptable for the context. Thanks to all.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

enclosed

Tom in London

3 +2

hemmed in

Lara Barnett

4 +1

trapped/caught

Michael Korovkin

surround, confine, close in

Laura Ash

suspended

Wolf Draeger

Answers

4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

enclosed

Explanation:
I would just say it that way and not worry about finding an English equivalent that has to do with embankments - because I don't think there is one.

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 07:16
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 28

Grading comment

Thanks Tom! I thought all the answers were good, and acceptable for the context. Thanks to all.

25 mins confidence:

surround, confine, close in

Explanation:
practically the sentence intends this:
if life is conceived confining the past and the future....xxxx

Laura Ash
France
Native speaker of:

French,

Italian

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

hemmed in

Explanation:
This has a similar meaning to me, but just different imagery. Whereas the Italian connotes ideas of embankments, the English has a similar phrase which just happens to connote ideas about sewing - both being works of manual labour.

"Hem in
Verb 1. hem in - surround in a restrictive manner; "The building was hemmed in by flowers"
border, environ, surround, skirt, ring - extend on all sides of simultaneously; encircle; "The forest surrounds my property"
hedge - hinder or restrict with or as if with a hedge; "The animals were hedged in"
...
"hem in fish with stakes and nets so as to prevent them from going back into the sea with the ebb"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hem in

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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-09-14 19:53:37 GMT)
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"Hemmed in between past and future..."

"But when it is seen that the past as memory is always a present experience, the boundary behind this moment collapses . . . And likewise, when it is seen that the future of expectation is always a present experience the boundary ahead of this moment explodes. The whole weight of there being something behind us or in front of us quickly, suddenly, and completely vanishes. This present is no longer HEMMED-IN, but expands to fill all time, and thus the "passing present" unfolds into the eternal present . . . . And this present is no mere slice of reality. On the contrary, in this now resides the cosmos, with all the time and the space in the world."
http://www.ninestones.com/tunnel/no_boundary.html

Example sentence(s):

"So we said, “Jesus, we have to watch ourselves too much around you. We feel HEMMED IN around you. Now you go back home where you belong and be a good God, and maybe we’ll see you of a Sunday morning.”"

Reference: http://www.faithandleadership.com/sermons/hemmed

Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 07:16
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 20

13 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

trapped/caught

Explanation:
even "stuck", here.

"And only conceiving of life as trapped between the past and the future, makes one experience/feel spiritually and intellectually an anxiety of dearth, of any dearth.

Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 08:16
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian
PRO pts in category: 16

16 hrs confidence:

suspended

Explanation:
Perhaps the author is saying that the feeling of being trapped in the moment, of the absence of continuity between past, present and future leads to a sense of lack and extreme anxiety?

A lack of meaning, of direction/progress, of purpose.

Makes me think of Sartre and the crushing weight of experiencing the emptiness of "the moment", that this instant is all there is and all there ever will be.

Example sentence(s):

It is only by imagining (one's) life as (being) suspended between past and future that one experiences the spiritual and psychological anxiety of want, of all wants.

Wolf Draeger
South Africa
Local time: 08:17
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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