interposto ed interponente

English translation: primary employer and sub-employer

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Italian term or phrase:interposto ed interponente
English translation:primary employer and sub-employer
Entered by: Angela Arnone

10:26 Sep 6, 2002
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Human Resources / employment
Italian term or phrase: interposto ed interponente
The full sentence is - L’impostazione della controversia operata da controparte impone, dunque, la contestuale presenza in giudizio di tutti i tre soggetti (lavoratore, interposto e interponente) che sono parti del rapporto controverso.

Anyone sure of the English here?
Thanks
Angela
Angela Arnone
Local time: 08:10
primary employer and sub-employer
Explanation:
or contractor and sub-contractor


I know sub-employer sounds a bit strange but it does appear in some Google hits mainly involving Mexican farm labourers in the U.S.A. - e.g.

]Chapter 3
Formato file: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versione HTML
... These included, for example, the role of the Farm Secu- rity Administration as the
primary employer, with the farmer con- tracted as a "sub-employer," and as ...
www.cirsinc.org/fte/Chapters3.pdf

Chapter 4 - [Traduci questa pagina ]
... Banana companies are using an indirect work contract which means that the employer
is a sub-contract instead (usually a sub-employer) in order to avoid labor ...
www.lead.org/lead/training/international/ costarica/96/ch4.htm - 82k

Just a suggestion


Good luck Angela
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Grace Anderson
Italy
Local time: 08:10
Grading comment
Absolutely spot on!!!
Someone had already translated "interposto" as "original employer" but I didn't like it and the dispute hinges around the legality (as Jacek suggests) of this type of situation and who the real employer is at the end of the day!

Angela

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Summary of answers provided
3party seeking mediation and mediator
Yakov Tomara
3intermediary vs. user (?)
Jacek Krankowski (X)
3primary employer and sub-employer
Grace Anderson


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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
party seeking mediation and mediator


Explanation:
Non sono sicuro ma vado dalla definizione:


interporsi
mettersi fra due contendenti per conciliarli; intercedere in favore di qualcuno.

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Note added at 2002-09-06 13:32:51 (GMT)
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Scusi!

Dovevo scrivere

mediator (interposto) and party seeking mediation (interponente)




    Reference: http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/digita/digita.html
Yakov Tomara
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
intermediary vs. user (?)


Explanation:
Non sono sicuro ma mi sembra attendibile:

www.eurofound.eu.int/emire/ITALY/ INTERMEDIATIONINTHEHIRINGOFLABOUR-IT.html

LABOUR-ONLY SUBCONTRACTING
Activity involving the supplying of personnel to an entrepreneur-user by intermediaries who are employers only in a purely formal sense but do not themselves have the characteristics of a real employer (means of production, managerial structures, financial means, etc.).

L'interposto è chi presta il suo nome = intermediary

Buona fortuna!

Jacek


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Note added at 2002-09-06 12:09:35 (GMT)
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subsitute contractor?
intermediary contractor?

vs.

substituted principal?

mediante impiego di manodopera assunta e retribuita dall\'appaltatore - interposto - intermediario...
attraverso la sostituzione soggettiva dell’appaltante-interponente all’appaltatore-interposto
http://www.fog.it/articoli/servizi.htm

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Note added at 2002-09-06 13:31:12 (GMT)
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Mi hai messo la pulce nell\'orecchio ma il problema è che non ho il tempo di approfondire la materia.

interponente = lender of the employee? (interposing subject?)
interposto = substitute employer renting the manpower?

Isn\'t it fraud anyhow?

Dai, qual è la risposta giusta??

Jacek Krankowski (X)
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
primary employer and sub-employer


Explanation:
or contractor and sub-contractor


I know sub-employer sounds a bit strange but it does appear in some Google hits mainly involving Mexican farm labourers in the U.S.A. - e.g.

]Chapter 3
Formato file: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versione HTML
... These included, for example, the role of the Farm Secu- rity Administration as the
primary employer, with the farmer con- tracted as a "sub-employer," and as ...
www.cirsinc.org/fte/Chapters3.pdf

Chapter 4 - [Traduci questa pagina ]
... Banana companies are using an indirect work contract which means that the employer
is a sub-contract instead (usually a sub-employer) in order to avoid labor ...
www.lead.org/lead/training/international/ costarica/96/ch4.htm - 82k

Just a suggestion


Good luck Angela


Grace Anderson
Italy
Local time: 08:10
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
Absolutely spot on!!!
Someone had already translated "interposto" as "original employer" but I didn't like it and the dispute hinges around the legality (as Jacek suggests) of this type of situation and who the real employer is at the end of the day!

Angela
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