Elleporo

English translation: Helleporus

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Italian term or phrase:Elleporo
English translation:Helleporus
Entered by: fata-s

07:05 Nov 14, 2010
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Archaeology
Italian term or phrase: Elleporo
La battaglia presso Elleporo, in Magna Graecia
fata-s
Local time: 06:04
Helleporus
Explanation:
The battle is presumably the defeat of the Italiote League by Dionysius of Syracuse in 389 BC on the banks of the river Helleporus.

HTH.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-11-14 09:40:14 GMT)
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"Helleporus" is a traditional latinised spelling. The original Greek name used by Diodorus Siculus (14.104) is 'Ελεπορος with a smooth breathing, which would be "Eleporos" without the initial "h" if transcribed into English.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:19...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-11-14 10:24:09 GMT)
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@ Panagiotis: I did point out in my first note that the breathing in 'Ελέπορος is at odds with the traditional English spelling, which evidently calques other place names like "Hellespont".

The choice between "Hellesporus" and "Elesporos" will depend on the context of the translation.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-11-14 10:25:39 GMT)
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That should be "Helleporus" and "Eleporos" of course.
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Giles Watson
Italy
Local time: 06:04
Grading comment
I was actually able to figure it out on my own right after I asked my question...but those ancient river names are a toughy! thanks I did prefer using Helleporus instead of Elleporus
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4 +2Battle of the Elleporus
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Battle of the Elleporus


Explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilaro



In 389 BC, the Battle of the Elleporus was alongside the river.



Gad Kohenov
Israel
Local time: 08:04
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in HebrewHebrew
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jim Tucker (X): or "Elleporos" for the real Hellenists. // Ah yes that would be "grico", which is a highly corrupted form of Modern, not Ancient, Greek. But only about 50 people under 35 speak it today.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks. Some people in the villages of ancient Magna Graecia still speak some kind of old Greek.

agree  Simo Blom
1 day 8 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot!!
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Helleporus


Explanation:
The battle is presumably the defeat of the Italiote League by Dionysius of Syracuse in 389 BC on the banks of the river Helleporus.

HTH.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-11-14 09:40:14 GMT)
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"Helleporus" is a traditional latinised spelling. The original Greek name used by Diodorus Siculus (14.104) is 'Ελεπορος with a smooth breathing, which would be "Eleporos" without the initial "h" if transcribed into English.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:19...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-11-14 10:24:09 GMT)
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@ Panagiotis: I did point out in my first note that the breathing in 'Ελέπορος is at odds with the traditional English spelling, which evidently calques other place names like "Hellespont".

The choice between "Hellesporus" and "Elesporos" will depend on the context of the translation.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-11-14 10:25:39 GMT)
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That should be "Helleporus" and "Eleporos" of course.


    Reference: http://books.google.it/books?id=vx251bK988gC&pg=PA387&lpg=PA...
Giles Watson
Italy
Local time: 06:04
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11
Grading comment
I was actually able to figure it out on my own right after I asked my question...but those ancient river names are a toughy! thanks I did prefer using Helleporus instead of Elleporus

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Panagiotis Andrias (X): Ciao, caro Giles. Ελεπορος mica si scriveva con la daseia (spiritus asper) sulla E iniziale, bensì con la psile, lo spiritus lenis... Per cui, non vedo perchè lo si debba trascrivere in latino con la h... / :))
2 hrs
  -> Neanch'io ne vedo il motivo ma così è ;-) There are many aspects of language, including many established spellings, that run contrary to logic. "Helleporus" is one of them. It's one valid option, though. The other is "Eleporos". Φιλικά, Τζάιλς

neutral  Jim Tucker (X): There is confusion about the name even in the ancient sources, which is only compounded by the manuscript tradition of leaving out breathings. For Hellespont we know the etymology: Ἕλλη...// Diod. calls it "Helorus" AFAIK, poss. due to haplography.
4 hrs
  -> There's only the one lambda in 'Ελεπορος in Diodorus Siculus. I don't think there's much point taking textual criticism too far: tradition (Helleporus) of etymology (Eleporos) look the safest bets.
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