dacreakció

English translation: reaction of defiance

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Hungarian term or phrase:dacreakció
English translation:reaction of defiance
Entered by: Csobay-Novák Tamás

13:31 Aug 19, 2010
Hungarian to English translations [PRO]
Law (general)
Hungarian term or phrase: dacreakció
Hogyan lehetne ezt angolul legjobban visszaadni?

... de legtöbb esetben egyfajta „dacreakció” is szerepet játszhatott az elutasításban.

http://barikad.hu/node/59831
Csobay-Novák Tamás
Hungary
Local time: 14:36
reaction of defiance
Explanation:
Rengeteg példát találtam:

[PDF]
Political Judgment in Its Historical Context
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
serve as an essential definition of politics in the traditional sense in which .... Whether this reaction of defiance can be main- ...
press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9035.pdf
Euro-Focus, Volume 8, No. 8
That in turn created a European reaction of defiance, the like of which had .... and how the EU can define a closer and deeper institutional relationship ...
www.ciaonet.org/pbei/csis/euf/ef021203/index.html
A Tale of Two Cities: The Rhodes and Lausanne Conferences, 1949
by N Caplan - 1992 - Cited by 6 - Related articles
Secretary of State Acheson was keen to define ...... offer, but led to a belated Israeli reaction of defiance and outrage which, in ...
www.jstor.org/stable/2537517
The expanding definition of disease and health in community ...
by AE Miller - 1972 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
Printed in Great Britain THE EXPANDING DEFINITION OF DISEASE AND HEALTH IN ..... as part of the reaction of defiance or escape in the face of alienation, ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/003778567290073X
Obsession A JoMax Fic Chapter 1, a General Hospital fanfic ...
Feb 7, 2009 ... Maxie tilted her chin in an instant reaction of defiance. ... Irritation and something else that he couldn't define exploded through him. ...
www.fanfiction.net › TV Shows › General Hospital - Similar
Citizenship and Identity
... whether of mixed parentage or not, will define themselves as something ... troubles display a reaction of defiance and thus stick to their old passport. ...
www.urmila.de/DesisinD/Jugend/citizenship/45.html - Cached
Predictors of alcoholism in the Lundby study
by O Hagnell - 1986 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
alcoholism The shallow reaction of defiance expressed by ... two reasons: (i) although our definition of alcoholism was to- tally independent of whether or ...
www.springerlink.com/index/u423q735j4277027.pdf
[PDF]
NEO-REGIONALISM – A RESPONSE TO GLOBALISATION?
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Nov 24, 2002 ... Before that, however, we will assign a specific definition to these .... the tribute to Diana expressed a reaction of defiance vis-a-vis the ...
www.laidi.com/papiers/24112002.pdf - Similar
Arab nationalism: between Islam and the nation-state - Google Books Result
Bassam Tibi - 1997 - Political Science - 365 pages
... but he continues to define nationalism as an anti-colonialist modernisation ... of the traditionalist social forces as simply a reaction of defiance, ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0312162863...

Shareholders as Norm Entrepreneurs for Corporate Social Responsibility
by E Sjöström - Cited by 1 - Related articles
definition, a norm cannot be held by one person .... behaviour provoked a reaction of defiance. ..... define common principles to guide the practises of ...
www.springerlink.com/index/q7875732636t777u.pdf - Similar

The Touchstone, by Edith Wharton - Full Text Free Book (Part 1/2)
they struggled to define an ultimate idea, he was expounding the ...... there a reaction of defiance set in. What had he done, after all, ...
www.fullbooks.com/The-Touchstone-by-Edith-Wharton1.html - Cached


Punishment and Race
by JP Pittman - 2009
that they define an institution the (utilitarian) justification of which ..... a reaction of defiance and turning the target population into more or ...
journals.cambridge.org/production/action/cjoGetFulltext?fulltextid...


We need some chubby girls as main characters. - Page 5 - PS3 Forums

Prader-Willi syndrome: coping with the disease, living with those ... - Google Books Result
Urs Eiholzer - 2005 - Medical - 120 pages
After puberty, reactions of defiance and tantrums become less common, although bouts of depression are more likely and are sometimes accompanied by ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=3805578466...
The act of surrender in the treatment of the alcoholic
by HM Tiebout - 1950 - Cited by 2 - Related articles
ring up the reactions of defiance and grandiosity. Since characteristically it takes a certain amount of time be- fore the unconscious responses are ...
www.springerlink.com/index/p0080078262j8254.pdf


Tiebout Papers
Jump to Defiance and Grandiosity at Work in the Alcoholic‎: On the one side, the defiance says, ... up the reactions of defiance and grandiosity. ...
www.thejaywalker.com/pages/tiebout/actofsurrender.html

BeltwayBlips - Twitter Reactions - Rosie O'Donnell Admits She Got ...
Rosie O'Donnell Admits Her "Marriage" was Act of Defiance Against Bush. ... RT @newsbusters R O'Donnell Admits Married Merely As Act of 'Defiance' Against ...
dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/story/rosie-o-donnell...s.../tweets/

Reactions to the Serbian bravery
Jul 24, 1998 ... Serbian bravery and the World reaction .... one of the most unrealistic, if romantic, acts of defiance in modern European history. ...

Apr 19, 2010... that you liking chubby reactions is merely a kneejerk reaction of defiance toward society and that you, ..... Define ugly for me please. ...
www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5153057

Esetleg ez is jó lehet:

"attitude of defiance"

http://www.rug.nl/rechten/faculteit/vakgroepen/stcr/cri/onde...






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Az egészet talán valahogy így lehetne fordítani (a szövegkörnyezetnek megfelelően alakítva): ...but in most cases a (certain) kind of "reaction of defiance" may have also played a role/may have also had a role in rejecting...

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Szerintem a magyar jelzős összetétel jelentését (dacreakció) leginkább ez a szerkezet adja vissza angolul: “reaction of defiance”. Itt van még néhány hasonló szerkezet:
a man of courage;
a woman of charm;
a building of great beauty;
a ring of pure gold;
a difference of age;
a game of football.
Ezeket is mind jelzős szószerkezetekkel, vagy egyes esetekben jelzős összetételekkel lehetne magyarra fordítani.
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Tünde Tanzer
United States
Local time: 08:36
Grading comment
Köszönöm az értékes hozzászólásokat.

- Tamás
http://hun.proz.com/translator/968128
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1reaction of defiance
Tünde Tanzer
5reaction that manifests itself in defiant behaviour
JANOS SAMU
4gut defiance
János Untener
4defiant reaction
Ildiko Santana
3itt: kind of defiance
Kornelia Robertson
4 -2reactive defiance
juvera


Discussion entries: 7





  

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gut defiance


Explanation:
szerintem

János Untener
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
defiant reaction


Explanation:
Én úgy mondanám, "defiant reaction" vagy "oppositional reaction". A "dacreakció" pszichológiában használt szakkifejezés. Ebben a tárgyban "oppositional defiant behavior" a magatartás angol elnevezése, a reakci= pedig @oppositional reaction@ vagz @defiant reaction@. Más tárgyú szövegekben - mint például itt, politikai értelemben - leginkább a "defiant reaction" használt, ritkábban az "oppositional reaction".

"As an example, when the coup d'etat took place, many leaders trained by the organizations rose up in defiant reaction to what had happened.."

"..the ramifications of the court decision and Mr Berlusconi's defiant reaction to it had raised political tensions to a dangerous level."

"defiant reaction to the UN nuclear watchdog's resolution"

"Breaking the pattern of behavior that sets up the defiant reaction is the key to addressing the problem."

Ildiko Santana
United States
Local time: 05:36
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 229

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  JANOS SAMU: The reaction is not defiant. It is the manifestation that can be considered as defiance.
1 day 19 hrs
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
reactive defiance


Explanation:
Úgy érzem, hogy a reakció dacot vált ki; a dac főnév, nem a reakció jelzője. Ugyanúgy, mint reactive response, behaviour, reactive anxiety, aggression, stb.

Mutual collaboration encourages activity in passive clients and prevents reactive defiance in oppositional clients.
www.scribd.com/.../Elements-of-the-Socratic-Method-IV-Disav... -

With reactive defiance, one does not even get the desired behavior... books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0306420228...

Reactive defiance
Some youthful defiant behavior may be compared to the process of regurgitation...
Such “reactive defiance” calls for consideration not only of what's wrong with the child but also of what is wrong with what we are doing to him. www.cyc-net.org/cyc-online/cycol-0408-redl.html






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A kezdő mondatom elejét jobban megfogalmazhattam volna.
A dac reakció valamire - itt most nem tudjuk, hogy mire - de az a döntő.

A mondattöredék angolul:
...in most cases a kind of reactive defiance would have played a part in the rejection.

Másként:
...the reaction would be defiance,
...they may react with defiance.

juvera
Local time: 13:36
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
PRO pts in category: 70

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Ildiko Santana: Véleményem szerint ez az érzésed: "a reakció dacot vált ki" félreértelmezésen alapul. A dacreakció (defiant reaction) maga a válasz (response) az adott helyzetre, eseményre, stb. legyen az politikai vagy családi (pl. a szülők válása váltja ki a gyerekből)
7 hrs
  -> Átfogalmazom: a reakció a dac, és kihangsúlyozom, a dac nem a reakció jelzője, nem "defiant reaction". Lásd a példákat is, amelyek pont az általad felhozott adott helyzetekre utalnak.

disagree  JANOS SAMU: Ha rákérdezünk a reakcióra, hogy milyen reakció, akkor a válasz dacreakció, meghatározza a reakció milyenségét, tehát minőségjelző. Tekintettel arra, hogy többféle reakció létezik, el kell fogadnunk, hogy a dac adja a pontosítást jelző formájában.
1 day 10 hrs
  -> Ahelyett, hogy továbbra is körbe-körbe szaladgáljak a (képletes) nyelvtani máglya körül, megpróbálok egy laterális megközelítést. Kedves János, hogyan fordítanád le értelmileg a fenti angol példákat magyarra?

disagree  Tünde Tanzer: a dacreakció jelzős összetétel - ld. discussion
1 day 22 hrs
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1 day 20 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
reaction that manifests itself in defiant behaviour


Explanation:
Pontosabban meghatározva. Nem fontos nekünk egy vagy két szóval kifejezni.

JANOS SAMU
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2 days 7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
reaction of defiance


Explanation:
Rengeteg példát találtam:

[PDF]
Political Judgment in Its Historical Context
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
serve as an essential definition of politics in the traditional sense in which .... Whether this reaction of defiance can be main- ...
press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9035.pdf
Euro-Focus, Volume 8, No. 8
That in turn created a European reaction of defiance, the like of which had .... and how the EU can define a closer and deeper institutional relationship ...
www.ciaonet.org/pbei/csis/euf/ef021203/index.html
A Tale of Two Cities: The Rhodes and Lausanne Conferences, 1949
by N Caplan - 1992 - Cited by 6 - Related articles
Secretary of State Acheson was keen to define ...... offer, but led to a belated Israeli reaction of defiance and outrage which, in ...
www.jstor.org/stable/2537517
The expanding definition of disease and health in community ...
by AE Miller - 1972 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
Printed in Great Britain THE EXPANDING DEFINITION OF DISEASE AND HEALTH IN ..... as part of the reaction of defiance or escape in the face of alienation, ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/003778567290073X
Obsession A JoMax Fic Chapter 1, a General Hospital fanfic ...
Feb 7, 2009 ... Maxie tilted her chin in an instant reaction of defiance. ... Irritation and something else that he couldn't define exploded through him. ...
www.fanfiction.net › TV Shows › General Hospital - Similar
Citizenship and Identity
... whether of mixed parentage or not, will define themselves as something ... troubles display a reaction of defiance and thus stick to their old passport. ...
www.urmila.de/DesisinD/Jugend/citizenship/45.html - Cached
Predictors of alcoholism in the Lundby study
by O Hagnell - 1986 - Cited by 8 - Related articles
alcoholism The shallow reaction of defiance expressed by ... two reasons: (i) although our definition of alcoholism was to- tally independent of whether or ...
www.springerlink.com/index/u423q735j4277027.pdf
[PDF]
NEO-REGIONALISM – A RESPONSE TO GLOBALISATION?
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Nov 24, 2002 ... Before that, however, we will assign a specific definition to these .... the tribute to Diana expressed a reaction of defiance vis-a-vis the ...
www.laidi.com/papiers/24112002.pdf - Similar
Arab nationalism: between Islam and the nation-state - Google Books Result
Bassam Tibi - 1997 - Political Science - 365 pages
... but he continues to define nationalism as an anti-colonialist modernisation ... of the traditionalist social forces as simply a reaction of defiance, ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0312162863...

Shareholders as Norm Entrepreneurs for Corporate Social Responsibility
by E Sjöström - Cited by 1 - Related articles
definition, a norm cannot be held by one person .... behaviour provoked a reaction of defiance. ..... define common principles to guide the practises of ...
www.springerlink.com/index/q7875732636t777u.pdf - Similar

The Touchstone, by Edith Wharton - Full Text Free Book (Part 1/2)
they struggled to define an ultimate idea, he was expounding the ...... there a reaction of defiance set in. What had he done, after all, ...
www.fullbooks.com/The-Touchstone-by-Edith-Wharton1.html - Cached


Punishment and Race
by JP Pittman - 2009
that they define an institution the (utilitarian) justification of which ..... a reaction of defiance and turning the target population into more or ...
journals.cambridge.org/production/action/cjoGetFulltext?fulltextid...


We need some chubby girls as main characters. - Page 5 - PS3 Forums

Prader-Willi syndrome: coping with the disease, living with those ... - Google Books Result
Urs Eiholzer - 2005 - Medical - 120 pages
After puberty, reactions of defiance and tantrums become less common, although bouts of depression are more likely and are sometimes accompanied by ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=3805578466...
The act of surrender in the treatment of the alcoholic
by HM Tiebout - 1950 - Cited by 2 - Related articles
ring up the reactions of defiance and grandiosity. Since characteristically it takes a certain amount of time be- fore the unconscious responses are ...
www.springerlink.com/index/p0080078262j8254.pdf


Tiebout Papers
Jump to Defiance and Grandiosity at Work in the Alcoholic‎: On the one side, the defiance says, ... up the reactions of defiance and grandiosity. ...
www.thejaywalker.com/pages/tiebout/actofsurrender.html

BeltwayBlips - Twitter Reactions - Rosie O'Donnell Admits She Got ...
Rosie O'Donnell Admits Her "Marriage" was Act of Defiance Against Bush. ... RT @newsbusters R O'Donnell Admits Married Merely As Act of 'Defiance' Against ...
dailyradar.com/beltwayblips/story/rosie-o-donnell...s.../tweets/

Reactions to the Serbian bravery
Jul 24, 1998 ... Serbian bravery and the World reaction .... one of the most unrealistic, if romantic, acts of defiance in modern European history. ...

Apr 19, 2010... that you liking chubby reactions is merely a kneejerk reaction of defiance toward society and that you, ..... Define ugly for me please. ...
www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5153057

Esetleg ez is jó lehet:

"attitude of defiance"

http://www.rug.nl/rechten/faculteit/vakgroepen/stcr/cri/onde...






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Note added at 2 days7 hrs (2010-08-21 21:27:15 GMT)
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Az egészet talán valahogy így lehetne fordítani (a szövegkörnyezetnek megfelelően alakítva): ...but in most cases a (certain) kind of "reaction of defiance" may have also played a role/may have also had a role in rejecting...

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Note added at 3 days8 hrs (2010-08-22 22:11:22 GMT)
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Szerintem a magyar jelzős összetétel jelentését (dacreakció) leginkább ez a szerkezet adja vissza angolul: “reaction of defiance”. Itt van még néhány hasonló szerkezet:
a man of courage;
a woman of charm;
a building of great beauty;
a ring of pure gold;
a difference of age;
a game of football.
Ezeket is mind jelzős szószerkezetekkel, vagy egyes esetekben jelzős összetételekkel lehetne magyarra fordítani.


Tünde Tanzer
United States
Local time: 08:36
Works in field
Native speaker of: Hungarian
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Köszönöm az értékes hozzászólásokat.

- Tamás
http://hun.proz.com/translator/968128

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  juvera: Ha nem lenne kétséged abban, hogy a dacreakció minőségjelző összetétel, akkor nem valószínű, hogy ilyen sokat foglalkoztál volna azzal, hogy alternatívát keress. //Nincs itt valami félreértés? Egy szót sem szóltam a válaszod helyességéről v. ellenkezőjérő
3 hrs
  -> Nem kételkedem ABBAN, és nincsenek kétségeim AFELŐL, hogy az Értelmező szótárban helyesen szerepelnek ezek a kifejezések, ld. a kétség címszó alatt is: kétségben van vmiről vagy vmi felől. A válaszom helyességében sem kételkedem.

agree  Ildiko Santana: Ez mind tartalmi, mind nyelvészeti szempontból jobb fordítás, mint az általam javasolt 'defiant reaction'.
19 hrs
  -> köszönöm szépen!
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3 days 13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
egyfajta dacreakció
itt: kind of defiance


Explanation:
Nem állítom, hogy a dacreakció és a defiance egymás pontos megfelelői, nyelvtani vagy tartalmi szempontból. Szövegkörnyezettől függően a korábban megadott válaszok helyesek lehetnek, én viszont itt egyszerűen azt javaslom, hogy: kind of defiance.

A magyar szövegben arról van szó, hogy egyedül az MSZP szavazott nemmel több kérdésben is, különféle okokból, pl. ideológiai természetű okok, saját klientúrájuk védelme, "hisztipárti" jelleg, stb. A kérdések egy részében (a cikk írója szerint elképzelhetően) nemet mondtak azért, hogy ellenkezzenek - ez lenne a "dacreakció". Ami szerepet játszik az elutasításban, a nemmel szavazásban, az valójában a dac, nem a reakció, a magyar itt pontatlan/redundáns, vagy egyszerűen jobban hangzik a mondat. Olvassuk így: a legtöbb esetben egyfajta "dac" is szerepet játszhatott... Ahhoz hasonló példák, hogy a dac helyett dacreakció szerepel, gyakran előfordulnak az újságírásban mindkét nyelven (hosszabb kifejezés a hatás fokozására, ...). Szerintem nem kell beleerőltetni a kifejezésbe a reakciót.

* Valami fura okból nem tudok idézőjelet használni a válaszomban, elnézést, hogy kimarad, természetesen azt megtartanám a mondatban.


Kornelia Robertson
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