nicht gut mit einem Male abstrahieren können

English translation: cannot suddenly distance herself from her ego

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German term or phrase:nicht gut mit einem Male abstrahieren können
English translation:cannot suddenly distance herself from her ego
Entered by: Susan Welsh

15:28 May 1, 2013
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Psychology / diagnosis of "hysteria" (1927)
German term or phrase: nicht gut mit einem Male abstrahieren können
This is on the Bavarian mystic Therese the Stigmatic from Konnersreuth, written by a doctor in 1927 who had examined her. He is talking here about whether her peculiar ecstasies and stigmata should be diagnosed as of "hysterical" or "psychogenic" origin, the latter being a broader concept. (The whole section is giving me a headache, but Kudoz rules say I have to ask a specific question):


Für mich spielen bei Therese Neumann diese Ich-Faktoren (in Form einer gewissen Selbstbespiegelung und Selbstgefälligkeit, in einer Freude am Erlesensein, auch wohl in einer gewissen Geltungssucht und Sensationsfreudigkeit) sicher mit herein, wenn auch nicht in aufgetragenem Maße, und deshalb stehe ich nicht an, die Stigmatisation der Therese auch als hysterisch zu bezeichnen. Hat sie doch auch früher schon ausgeprägte hysterische Symptome geboten und wird als so veranlagte Persönlichkeit innerhalb der ekstatischen Zustände von ihren Ich-Wünschen **nicht gut mit einem Male abstrahieren können**; sie bietet ja auch außerhalb der Stigmatisation heute noch deutliche hysterische Zweckreaktionen.

My draft:

To me, these "ego factors" play a role with Therese Neumann (in the form of a certain narcissism and complacency, a joy at having been selected, also probably a certain craving for recognition and thrill-seeking), if not in great dimensions, and therefore I do not hesitate to describe Therese's stigmatization as hysterical. She had previously also had pronounced hysterical symptoms and her personality inclined, during the ecstatic states, toward her ego desires rather than sudden abstraction; apart from stigmatization, she still today has clearly hysterical reactions.

(It seems to me that the clause "Hat sie doch auch früher schon ausgeprägte hysterische Symptome geboten..." should mean "if she had," but I can't make any sense out of it that way, so I changed it to the indicative.)

Thank you for any help. I'm beginning to suffer from hysteria myself.
Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 08:31
cannot/is incapable of suddenly distance herself from her ego
Explanation:
The whole sentence somewhat altered from the the above suggestion:
She had already manifested pronounced hysterical symptoms previously and with a personality thus inclined, she cannot distance herself suddenly from her ego whilst in an extatic condition.




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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2013-05-02 20:10:52 GMT) Post-grading
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Sorry for taking so long to enter my proposal, I had a day of emergencies ... Anyway, glad I could help.
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franglish
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Local time: 13:31
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Summary of answers provided
3not likely to miraculously gain perspective
Michael Martin, MA
3cannot/is incapable of suddenly distance herself from her ego
franglish


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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
not likely to miraculously gain perspective


Explanation:
"....she is not likely to miraculously gain perspective on her self-centered desires during one of her hysteric episodes."

Or "cannot be expected to..."

I decided to use miraculously instead of "suddenly" because it sounds more vivid that way. The whole clause is a just a working translation to show how my solution might fit into the larger segment. That means, I don't necessarily feel responsible for rendering "Ich-Wünsche" with great accuracy. Everything else is fair game, I guess..

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Note added at 19 hrs (2013-05-02 11:13:19 GMT)
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Thanks, Susan, for your response. But isn't that the very point I was making? In other words, it would be a miracle if she were able to gain perspective on anything during one of her bouts?

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 08:31
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Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 116
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Michael. But when she is in "ecstasy" she is not going to "gain perspective" on anything. She is "out of this world"--she makes up her own version of the Crucifixion (doesn't remember "her catechism," calls Pilate "the one I would not like to be with"; denies that Judas betrayed Christ). When she gets out of the trance, she doesn't remember any of it, and goes through the whole thing again the following Friday.

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22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
cannot/is incapable of suddenly distance herself from her ego


Explanation:
The whole sentence somewhat altered from the the above suggestion:
She had already manifested pronounced hysterical symptoms previously and with a personality thus inclined, she cannot distance herself suddenly from her ego whilst in an extatic condition.




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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2013-05-02 20:10:52 GMT) Post-grading
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Sorry for taking so long to enter my proposal, I had a day of emergencies ... Anyway, glad I could help.

franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 13:31
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 14
Grading comment
Thanks to everybody!
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