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Grübelzwang

English translation: Obsessional Thoughts Or Ruminations

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German term or phrase:Grübelzwang
English translation:Obsessional Thoughts Or Ruminations
Entered by: Siobain McAlister

18:57 Jun 5, 2007
German to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Psychology / description of patient ailments
German term or phrase: Grübelzwang
Diagnose: Schwerer Grübelzwang
Siobain McAlister
Ireland
Local time: 16:07
Obsessional Thoughts Or Ruminations
Explanation:
This is the technical term according to the ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders as defined by the World Health Organization, Geneva, 1992

The code for this mental illness is F42.0

"These may take the form of ideas, mental images, or impulses to act. They are very variable in content but nearly always distressing to the individual. A woman may be tormented, for example, by a fear that she might eventually be unable to resist an impulse to kill the child she loves, or by the obscene or blasphemous and ego-alien quality of a recurrent mental image. Sometimes the ideas are merely futile, involving an endless and quasi-philosophical consideration of imponderable alternatives. This indecisive consideration of alternatives is an important element in many other obsessional ruminations and is often associated with an inability to make trivial but necessary decisions in day-to-day living.

The relationship between obsessional ruminations and depression is particularly close: a diagnosis of obsessive-compulsive disorder should be preferred only if ruminations arise or persist in the absence of a depressive disorder. "
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Local time: 16:07
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4Obsessional Thoughts Or Ruminations
Textworks Translations
1 +6obsessive brooding
Jonathan MacKerron
4obsessive thoughts
casper (X)


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): +6
obsessive brooding


Explanation:
my guess

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Note added at 18 mins (2007-06-05 19:16:08 GMT)
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for Grübelsucht I found "reasoning mania/depressive brooding" according to the Real Lexikon der Medizin

Jonathan MacKerron
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 47

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ellen Zittinger: sounds right to me
11 mins
agree  Armorel Young: likewise
17 mins
agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): http://depressiononline-info.blogspot.com/
23 mins
agree  Kcda: We all have it or what!? trying to answer Kudoz questions and excessively "brood" over terms!
37 mins
agree  Maureen Millington-Brodie
8 hrs
agree  earthreptile
12 hrs
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Obsessional Thoughts Or Ruminations


Explanation:
This is the technical term according to the ICD-10 Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders as defined by the World Health Organization, Geneva, 1992

The code for this mental illness is F42.0

"These may take the form of ideas, mental images, or impulses to act. They are very variable in content but nearly always distressing to the individual. A woman may be tormented, for example, by a fear that she might eventually be unable to resist an impulse to kill the child she loves, or by the obscene or blasphemous and ego-alien quality of a recurrent mental image. Sometimes the ideas are merely futile, involving an endless and quasi-philosophical consideration of imponderable alternatives. This indecisive consideration of alternatives is an important element in many other obsessional ruminations and is often associated with an inability to make trivial but necessary decisions in day-to-day living.

The relationship between obsessional ruminations and depression is particularly close: a diagnosis of obsessive-compulsive disorder should be preferred only if ruminations arise or persist in the absence of a depressive disorder. "


    Reference: http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-an05.html
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United Kingdom
Local time: 16:07
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PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Hildegard Klein-Bodenheimer (X): If it is an official diagnoses, I would use this one too.
4 hrs
agree  Anne Schulz: with obsessional ruminations
11 hrs
agree  casper (X): 'obsessional' or 'obsessive' ruminations
13 hrs
agree  Siegfried Armbruster
1832 days
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
obsessive thoughts


Explanation:
This term is more commonly used (125000 googles) than "obsessive brooding" (414 googles) or "obsessional thoughts" (24100 googles)

Also, the full source expression is "schwerer Grübelzwang"
schwerer Grübelzwang = severe obsessive thoughts
severe obsessive thoughts gives 473 googles
severe obsessional thoughts gives 6 googles
severe obsessive brooding gives 0 googles


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Note added at 13 hrs (2007-06-06 08:39:30 GMT)
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Thanks to Anne's comment, I realize that 'obsessive ruminations' or 'obsessional ruminations' is a more adequate rendering of 'Grübelzwang'.

casper (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Anne Schulz: "obsessive thoughts" is much broader and literally refers to any obsessive thoughts, not only to obsessive thinking (brooding, ruminating...)
2 hrs
  -> Point taken. Thanks, Anne
neutral  Armorel Young: Anna's right - "thoughts" are just "Gedanken", not the same as Grübeln. No. of Google hits says nothing at all about whether the term is actually an appropriate translation of the source phrase.
4 hrs
  -> You are right about Anne being right :-)
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