Erkenntniswert

English translation: perceptual value / cognitive value

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German term or phrase:Erkenntniswert
English translation:perceptual value / cognitive value
Entered by: Helen Shiner

09:40 Jan 20, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Poetry & Literature / iconographic art history
German term or phrase: Erkenntniswert
Context:
die Frage nach dem Informations- und Erkenntniswert von Bildern und Schemata in Fachbüchern, in Kinderbüchern, in mnemotechnischer oder rezeptionsgeschichtlicher Perspektive.
David Williams
Germany
Local time: 05:41
perceptual value
Explanation:
Since art is all about the visual, I would definitely prefer 'perceptual' over 'cognitive' but you may be able to distinguish exactly which is needed from your wider context.

The materials of the artist – the pigments, tones, timbre, marble, etc. – are part of the artist’s tools, and usually involved with the artist’s intent. The proper resolution in the differences in these materials (as red vs. blue in painting, or as faster vs. slower in music) is critical to understanding a work of art. In painting, pigments have different hues and values of intensity that must be brought together to create an aesthetic experience. In music, tones contrast in pitch, timbre, and volume and they must find an aesthetic connection. In sculpture, marble has its contrarieties in grain, color, texture, and sheen, etc. In creating a work of art these contrasting qualities must join aesthetically.


Gotshalk moves to make a connection between the materials and other categories such as its form and expression. He gives many illustrations that we will bypass, but the aesthetic use of the “tools” is of course not enough. We need criteria on the aesthetics of the form to take the next step in judgement.

The form of the art faces the problem of tension and its resolution. Space and time, causality and teleology, are universal forms, he argues like Plato, which are “the structure of human existence.” Art enhances these forms. These universal (“cosmic”) forms are the basis for creating the specific artistic form, which is a “purification and vivification on a small scale of them.” The task of art is to give the forms some “intrinsic perceptual value” and to generate the aesthetic experience. Then, what are the principles that express these “forms?”

Gotshalk says that the form of every work expresses a combination of principles. The principles include harmony, balance, centrality, and development. A work of art – a poem, a play, a painting, and a sculpture -- exhibits some unity based on these principles, which are universal to art. Gotshalk illustrates in detail how such principles operate, and I summarize only a few of these points to offer the flavor of his argument.
http://www2.bc.edu/~bruyn/Critique.html

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http://books.google.com/books?id=cPX9T2wUcZgC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA...

http://books.google.com/books?id=m1RW5-tErdYC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA...



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Hi, dwilliams - I don't think that would change things. Anything visual has a perceptual value.

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Maps & Histories. Greek topographies in the Renaissance and the Enlightenment
The new book by George Tolias (May 2008) is a collection of papers on the spatial perception of Greece in European cartography.
It is the second book in the series "Trips with maps in places and utopiae"; Ziti Publications (www.ziti.gr).
In Greek, 256 pages, 14.5X20.5 cm, ISBN 978-960-456-101-8
Order: [email protected]
Cartografia morale.
A book by Giorgio Mangani on the geography, persuasion and identity of old cartography.
A fascinating reading on the moral, intellectuall, ideological, religious and perceptual value of maps.
2006, Franco Cosimo Panini, Modena, ISBN 88-8290-818-6, pages 255,
http://maputopia.blogspot.com/2006/12/peter-barbers-map-book...

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-20 10:52:53 GMT)
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This I think is about the benefits these elements of the book bring to it in visual terms. An example from a different field but it explains what is meant:

http://books.google.com/books?id=16huj4AZNrMC&pg=PA175&lpg=P...

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2009-01-21 15:03:32 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, David - I have entered it into the glossary alongside 'cognitive value' - it gives anyone following us the chance to view this discussion and make up their own mind.
Selected response from:

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:41
Grading comment
This seems to fit my context best, but may well not be best in all contexts, especially givenm the large number of answers, hence no glass entry this time. Many thanks everyone!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5Cognitive value
Marius Feilberg Jacobsen
4recognition value / perception
Peter Manda (X)
4perceptual value
Helen Shiner
3memorability
Lori Dendy-Molz
3clarity
casper (X)
3meaningful / elucidatory (with rephrasing)
Stephen Reader
2epistemic value
seehand
Summary of reference entries provided
Erkenntniswert von Bildern
Bernhard Sulzer

Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
memorability


Explanation:
... seems to be what they're getting at. You might need to rework it .. informational value and ability of readers to recognize or remember ... or something of the sort.

Lori Dendy-Molz
Germany
Local time: 05:41
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 22
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Cognitive value


Explanation:
Very sure of this. See example and references.

Example sentence(s):
  • To have cognitive value, an artwork must not only make new insights available, but also supply us with justification for those insights: after all, knowledge requires justification

    Reference: http://www.uqtr.uquebec.ca/AE/Vol_8/Young/irvin.html
Marius Feilberg Jacobsen
Norway
Local time: 05:41
Native speaker of: Native in NorwegianNorwegian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lori Dendy-Molz: makes sense
16 mins

agree  Inge Meinzer
4 hrs

agree  Emma Rault (X)
20 hrs

agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
1 day 4 hrs

agree  Stephen Reader: Convincing!
1 day 4 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
epistemic value


Explanation:
http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/Staff/AME/longphotos.pdf

may also work in this context ...

seehand
Germany
Local time: 05:41
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
recognition value / perception


Explanation:
stepping back and looking at the big picture ...

Peter Manda (X)
Local time: 00:41
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
clarity


Explanation:
Informations- und Erkenntniswert: informative/information value and clarity

casper (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 3

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Stephen Reader: Neutral because very context-bound - clarity may be too open (are we talking "recognition" (ah it's a dog) or meaningfulness (This helps me understand the subject of the book/ gets me thinking)?
9 hrs
  -> Agreed, 'clarity' may be "too open", but then, one, the context reveals little, and two, 'clarity' could be a valid option, irrespective of whether Erkenntnis implies 'recognition' or 'meaningfulness', IMO. Thanks & warm wishes to you, Stephen :)
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1 day 5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
meaningful / elucidatory (with rephrasing)


Explanation:
May be an option in the gen. direction of Marius' and Seehand's slant. Cf. also my qn @ Casper (I see you've had to submit the text, David; so this is more for the ProZ archive. Regards!)

Stephen Reader
Local time: 05:41
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Many thanks!

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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
perceptual value


Explanation:
Since art is all about the visual, I would definitely prefer 'perceptual' over 'cognitive' but you may be able to distinguish exactly which is needed from your wider context.

The materials of the artist – the pigments, tones, timbre, marble, etc. – are part of the artist’s tools, and usually involved with the artist’s intent. The proper resolution in the differences in these materials (as red vs. blue in painting, or as faster vs. slower in music) is critical to understanding a work of art. In painting, pigments have different hues and values of intensity that must be brought together to create an aesthetic experience. In music, tones contrast in pitch, timbre, and volume and they must find an aesthetic connection. In sculpture, marble has its contrarieties in grain, color, texture, and sheen, etc. In creating a work of art these contrasting qualities must join aesthetically.


Gotshalk moves to make a connection between the materials and other categories such as its form and expression. He gives many illustrations that we will bypass, but the aesthetic use of the “tools” is of course not enough. We need criteria on the aesthetics of the form to take the next step in judgement.

The form of the art faces the problem of tension and its resolution. Space and time, causality and teleology, are universal forms, he argues like Plato, which are “the structure of human existence.” Art enhances these forms. These universal (“cosmic”) forms are the basis for creating the specific artistic form, which is a “purification and vivification on a small scale of them.” The task of art is to give the forms some “intrinsic perceptual value” and to generate the aesthetic experience. Then, what are the principles that express these “forms?”

Gotshalk says that the form of every work expresses a combination of principles. The principles include harmony, balance, centrality, and development. A work of art – a poem, a play, a painting, and a sculpture -- exhibits some unity based on these principles, which are universal to art. Gotshalk illustrates in detail how such principles operate, and I summarize only a few of these points to offer the flavor of his argument.
http://www2.bc.edu/~bruyn/Critique.html

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Note added at 56 mins (2009-01-20 10:36:24 GMT)
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http://books.google.com/books?id=cPX9T2wUcZgC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA...

http://books.google.com/books?id=m1RW5-tErdYC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA...



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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-20 10:43:20 GMT)
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Hi, dwilliams - I don't think that would change things. Anything visual has a perceptual value.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-20 10:45:34 GMT)
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Maps & Histories. Greek topographies in the Renaissance and the Enlightenment
The new book by George Tolias (May 2008) is a collection of papers on the spatial perception of Greece in European cartography.
It is the second book in the series "Trips with maps in places and utopiae"; Ziti Publications (www.ziti.gr).
In Greek, 256 pages, 14.5X20.5 cm, ISBN 978-960-456-101-8
Order: [email protected]
Cartografia morale.
A book by Giorgio Mangani on the geography, persuasion and identity of old cartography.
A fascinating reading on the moral, intellectuall, ideological, religious and perceptual value of maps.
2006, Franco Cosimo Panini, Modena, ISBN 88-8290-818-6, pages 255,
http://maputopia.blogspot.com/2006/12/peter-barbers-map-book...

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-20 10:52:53 GMT)
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This I think is about the benefits these elements of the book bring to it in visual terms. An example from a different field but it explains what is meant:

http://books.google.com/books?id=16huj4AZNrMC&pg=PA175&lpg=P...

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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2009-01-21 15:03:32 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, David - I have entered it into the glossary alongside 'cognitive value' - it gives anyone following us the chance to view this discussion and make up their own mind.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:41
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 139
Grading comment
This seems to fit my context best, but may well not be best in all contexts, especially givenm the large number of answers, hence no glass entry this time. Many thanks everyone!
Notes to answerer
Asker: Many thanks! Just to clarify, this is only about art/illustrations in books (emblem books, in particular), not works of art in general.

Asker: Thanks Helen!

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Reference comments


1 day 6 hrs
Reference: Erkenntniswert von Bildern

Reference information:
Interessanter Artikel:

http://www.falter.at/web/heureka/archiv/03_3/02a.php

Gabriele Werner:

Es gibt durchaus historische Wurzeln: Der Nächstliegende, wenn man an Bildwelten außerhalb der Kunst denkt, ist Aby Warburg. Aber auch schon für Alois Riegl und Heinrich Wölfflin war es um 1900 keine Frage, dass sowohl so genannte Hochkunst als auch etwa die Form einer Schuhspitze etwas darüber aussagte, was eine Epoche auszeichnet. Im Projekt "Das Technische Bild" wollen wir zeigen, dass formale Analysen von Bildern der erste Schritt sind, um zu verstehen, mit welchen politischen und argumentativen Funktionen sie eingesetzt werden und was es bedeutet, über die formale Beschreibung zum Erkenntniswert von Bildern zu kommen. Einzelforschungen in diesem Bereich laufen ja seit langem.

Bernhard Sulzer
United States
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Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 55
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