schöpferischnatürlichen und universumweit

English translation: [laws and precepts/commandments] inherent to creation and throughout the universe

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German term or phrase:schöpferischnatürlichen und universumweit
English translation:[laws and precepts/commandments] inherent to creation and throughout the universe

13:44 Apr 1, 2012
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German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Philosophy / schöpferisch in that case comes from Schöpfung (Creation of all things)
German term or phrase: schöpferischnatürlichen und universumweit
Daraus entwickelt sich folgerichtig eine neue Lebensphilosophie, die sich auf die Erkennung, Erfahrung und auf das Erleben und Erfüllen der schöpferischnatürlichen und universumweit gültigen Gesetze und Gebote ausrichtet.
Christian Schnur
Local time: 11:22
[laws and precepts/commandments] inherent to creation and throughout the universe
Explanation:
schöpferisch' here, to my mind, refers to the work of the Creator, that is, God. Hence, 'creation'. I think it important to include this since it reflects the worldview apparent in the writing of this author.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-04-01 17:32:09 GMT)
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It does not really sound very good in EN to say 'natural to creation' which is why 'inherent' is what I have proposed. The meaning is the same. The sense is that they are naturally occuring within creation, which could not exist without their operation.
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:22
Grading comment
Already came along "inherent" before but didn't know how to use it properly as i'm really not a professional in translation.
Thanks alot
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2[laws and precepts/commandments] inherent to creation and throughout the universe
Helen Shiner
3universally valid natural and primordial laws and precepts
Michael Martin, MA
3valid in the universe for their natural creativity
Horst Huber (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
"Beam"
Johanna Timm, PhD

Discussion entries: 4





  

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universally valid natural and primordial laws and precepts


Explanation:
Probably not ideal but hopefully good enough to prompt further discussion


    Reference: http://www.library.com.br/english/articles/redefining%20prof...
Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 10:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I like your 'precepts' (and have borrowed it) but I don't agree with 'primordial' since it has a specific meaning not present in the German.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Helen. Point taken.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
valid in the universe for their natural creativity


Explanation:
Slight syntactic switch, if possible?

Horst Huber (X)
United States
Local time: 10:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
Notes to answerer
Asker: Das Buch handelt über die Lebenseinstellung gegenüber der Schöpfung und allem was uns umgibt etc. "schöpferisch-natürlich" taucht immer wieder auf aber bis heute hab ich noch keine so wirkliche Übersetzung dafür gefunden, die keine Ungewissheit hinterlassen würde, worum es denn eigentlich geht. Vielleicht haben Sie noch eine andere Idee?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I don't think the laws are referred to as being 'creative' but as being 'of Creation'.
29 mins
  -> Thank you! I thought it was merely "Lebensphilosophie", not necessarily linked to "Creation".
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
[laws and precepts/commandments] inherent to creation and throughout the universe


Explanation:
schöpferisch' here, to my mind, refers to the work of the Creator, that is, God. Hence, 'creation'. I think it important to include this since it reflects the worldview apparent in the writing of this author.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-04-01 17:32:09 GMT)
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It does not really sound very good in EN to say 'natural to creation' which is why 'inherent' is what I have proposed. The meaning is the same. The sense is that they are naturally occuring within creation, which could not exist without their operation.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 43
Grading comment
Already came along "inherent" before but didn't know how to use it properly as i'm really not a professional in translation.
Thanks alot
Notes to answerer
Asker: My greatest problem is to connect naturally+creation It's a term always showing in the book but most translations i tried look strange and still don't really fit in.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: More concisely, you could say 'inherent to the created universe'.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, phil; that has a good ring to it. I guess it just depends whether there is any significance in the author's separation of the two notions.

agree  Anne Schulz: IMO, "inherent to creation and nature" (rather than natural to creation)
23 hrs
  -> Thanks, Anne, I see what you mean, but Nature is/was considered an integral part of Creation by those espousing this worldview.
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Reference comments


7 hrs
Reference: "Beam"

Reference information:
is this text happens to be related to the writings of Billy Eduard Albert Meier, here are some English language references that might include an accepted/established translation of this term/concept
http://www.theyfly.com/gaia/meier.html

(If not, just ignore this ref.!)

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 28
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