Priestertrug

English translation: priestly deception

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German term or phrase:Priestertrug
English translation:priestly deception
Entered by: Michele Johnson

11:14 Mar 21, 2003
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Philosophy / philosophy
German term or phrase: Priestertrug
From a difficult text on communications theory, semiotics, etc:

"Sich auf Kulturen einzulassen heißt... dem Leben anderes zuzutrauen als Priestertrug und Fälschung."

Priestertrug seems to have some relation to the Enlightenment and French philosophy (Diderot).

Any bites? Religious corruption perhaps? Religious fraud?
Michele Johnson
Germany
Local time: 08:55
priestly deception
Explanation:
Seems to have been a buzzword: "Thomas Morgan (d. 1743) continued Tindal's argument on its historical side in The Moral Philosopher (1737-40),displaying much originality in tracing the development of heathen religions, as well as of Judaism and Christianity. Abandoning the old method of deriving specific religions from priestly deception, he explains their rise through the gradual supplanting of the one God of the law of nature by a crowd of divinities connected with definite natural phenomena." At any rate, "Priestertrug" in the Enlightenment is bound up with "Fanatismus" and related concepts.

HTH
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Parrot
Spain
Local time: 08:55
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Please forgive my delay in answering. I chose this answer not only because of the "agrees" but because I like its succinctness. Thanks again to all who answered... Michele
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3priestly deception
Parrot
4treachery of priests
gangels (X)
3deception organized from high places
Valentín Hernández Lima
3church fraud, perpetration of fraud by the church
Nicole Tata
3fallen angels
Jonathan MacKerron


  

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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
deception organized from high places


Explanation:
I feel this would convey some of the ideas crammed in "Priestertrug", i.e., deception coming from above, from highest authorities that should know better. For me, that is the heaviest kind of deception.

Cheers,

Val

Valentín Hernández Lima
Spain
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
priestly deception


Explanation:
Seems to have been a buzzword: "Thomas Morgan (d. 1743) continued Tindal's argument on its historical side in The Moral Philosopher (1737-40),displaying much originality in tracing the development of heathen religions, as well as of Judaism and Christianity. Abandoning the old method of deriving specific religions from priestly deception, he explains their rise through the gradual supplanting of the one God of the law of nature by a crowd of divinities connected with definite natural phenomena." At any rate, "Priestertrug" in the Enlightenment is bound up with "Fanatismus" and related concepts.

HTH

Parrot
Spain
Local time: 08:55
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PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Please forgive my delay in answering. I chose this answer not only because of the "agrees" but because I like its succinctness. Thanks again to all who answered... Michele

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Сергей Лузан
27 mins

agree  William Stein
44 mins

agree  Dirgis (X)
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
church fraud, perpetration of fraud by the church


Explanation:
or something along those lines.

Priestertrug is a kind of fraud: It’s the church knowingly and deliberately using religion/religious values and teachings as a tool to justify their own selfish, exploitative behaviour, in other words to deceive.

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church duplicity, collusion

hope it helps

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Note added at 2003-03-21 11:55:41 (GMT)
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Die französische Aufklärung des achtzehnten Jahrhunderts hat zwei Lieblingsausdrücke, -themen und -sündenböcke: Priestertrug und Fanatismus. Sie glaubt nicht an die Echtheit priesterlicher Gesinnung, sie sieht in allem Kult einen Betrug, der zur Fanatisierung einer Gemeinschaft und zur Ausbeutung der Fanatisierten erfunden ist.
www.muz-online.de/sprache/lti.html


Nicole Tata
United Kingdom
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fallen angels


Explanation:
an interpretation

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Note added at 2003-03-21 14:45:01 (GMT)
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to tackle (approach/embrace/take on) life and to perceive it other than heresy and deception..

or

life is not solely comprised of fallen angels and deception

Jonathan MacKerron
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treachery of priests


Explanation:
I'd say

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Note added at 2003-03-22 17:48:22 (GMT)
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deceit, trickery, duplicity, deception, guile, arrtifice, ruse, stratagem, hoax, wile, humbug, flimflam, imposture, subterfuge, perfidy, craftiness, hypocrisy, hyperbole, chicanery, slyness, disingenuousness, two-facedness, bamboozling, hoodwinking

What you see is what you get

gangels (X)
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