gleiches vor die Klammer ziehen

English translation: to extract the similarities, to find the common denominator

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German term or phrase:gleiches vor die Klammer ziehen
English translation:to extract the similarities, to find the common denominator
Entered by: VerenaH (X)

20:41 Apr 20, 2005
German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Management
German term or phrase: gleiches vor die Klammer ziehen
From a manual about different management systems within a company e.g. health and safety, environment, quality. This section is rounded off with the following bullet points:

Grundsätzlich ähnliches Vorgehen
Andere inhaltliche Zielrichtung
„Gleiches vor die Klammer ziehen“

I gather that "vor die Klammer ziehen" is "to give (top) priority to". My problem here is how "gleiches" fits in.
Steve Yates
Local time: 12:59
find the common denominator, extract the similarities
Explanation:
I don't think that the phrase means to give top priority to whatever the similarities are. That might be a result, but it is not in that phrase. By employing the mathematical expression of "etwas vor die Klammer ziehen" they want to suggest that if two departments or business sections show the same structural properties (let's say processes could be sketched with the same type of flow chart) then an attempt should be made to use the similarities for managerial decision-making instead of re-inventing the wheel over and over again. In this sense, they are looking for "Synergy" (saving effort/costs by using the same procedure for apparent diversity as long as the similarities can be destilled).
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VerenaH (X)
Local time: 13:59
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Verena's explanation about it being a mathematical expression made everything clear. 'Extract the similarities' was perfect here. Sorry I couldn't award points to Derek for sheer effort, but like me I think he was distracted by the previous entry in the glossary.
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Summary of answers provided
2 +1to give (top) priority to similar situations/incidents/etc.
Derek Gill Franßen
3find the common denominator, extract the similarities
VerenaH (X)


  

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to give (top) priority to similar situations/incidents/etc.


Explanation:
I think your rendition of "vor der Klammer ziehen" as "to give (top) priority to" is good (cf. http://www.proz.com/kudoz/731339). My first thought was "to treat independently," but...

But the German word "Gleiches" makes this a really difficulat question. I'm not aware of an English word (or even set of words) that can do justice to the word "Gleiches," which - as you probably already know - expresses the idea of at least two 'things' that are similar. In thinking over possibilities I notice that we (English-speakers) always name the things that are similar (even if we just name them "things").

In a sentence I would try to find a way to work around it. It's kind of difficult here because it's a bullet point.

You have the rest of the context, so you're in the best position to say what "things" they are referring to here. Managers often have to deal with "situations" or "incidents" that may be similar, so I chose that, but like I said, you'll know better.

Maybe the others will come up with something better. :-)

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Note added at 28 mins (2005-04-20 21:09:49 GMT)
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How about \"parallels\" - not all that great, is it? I found these researching synonyms for the word \"synonym:

Main Entry: equivalence
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: sameness
Synonyms: adequation, agreement, alikeness, compatibility, conformity, correlation, correspondence, equality, evenness, exchangeability, identity, interchangeability, interchangeableness, likeness, match, par, parallel, parity, similarity, synonym, synonymy
Antonyms: difference
Source: Roget\'s New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved. \"

;-)

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Note added at 30 mins (2005-04-20 21:11:22 GMT)
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Perhaps \"similarities\" would come closest, but it sounds weird to my ears.

Derek Gill Franßen
Germany
Local time: 13:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 39

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ken Cox: Sounds to me like you're on the right track. Perhaps the three points mean 'fundamentally similar procedure/different substantive orientations/emphasise the common factors''
34 mins
  -> Yes, that does sound good (and 'generic' enough for this particular context - "factors" are always to be dealt with). ;-)
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
find the common denominator, extract the similarities


Explanation:
I don't think that the phrase means to give top priority to whatever the similarities are. That might be a result, but it is not in that phrase. By employing the mathematical expression of "etwas vor die Klammer ziehen" they want to suggest that if two departments or business sections show the same structural properties (let's say processes could be sketched with the same type of flow chart) then an attempt should be made to use the similarities for managerial decision-making instead of re-inventing the wheel over and over again. In this sense, they are looking for "Synergy" (saving effort/costs by using the same procedure for apparent diversity as long as the similarities can be destilled).

VerenaH (X)
Local time: 13:59
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Verena's explanation about it being a mathematical expression made everything clear. 'Extract the similarities' was perfect here. Sorry I couldn't award points to Derek for sheer effort, but like me I think he was distracted by the previous entry in the glossary.
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