Werte

English translation: alternative investments / securities / products

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German term or phrase:	andere Werte
English translation:	alternative investments / securities / products
Entered by:	Hermien Desaivre

14:28 Sep 16, 2010

German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Investment / Securities / Investment fund

German term or phrase: Werte

I am convinced I have found a growing mistranslation on the Internet, but need confirmation from the experts.

My phrase concerns a type of investment company, and I suspect this phrase refers specifically to the kind found/registered in Liechtenstein, since I find only 9 EN versions on the internet, 2 of which use the term "assets" for "Werte", and 7 using the term "values". As far as I can see, most or all of these refer to Liechtensein "private label" funds. I am convinced it should be "assets".

"ein segmentiertes Investmentunternehmen für *andere Werte* mit erhöhtem Risiko des geschlossenen Typs"

I get either "a segmented investment undertaking for other *values* with increased risk (closed-ended type)" or "other *assets*".

I am sure it should be the latter, but cannot find enough proof. I would like to add the proper term to the KOG.

TIA

Hermien Desaivre KudoZ activity Questions: 209 (3 open) (6 without valid answers) (12 closed without grading) Answers: 17 South Africa
Local time: 13:46

ALTERNATIVE investments (=ANDERE Werte)

Explanation:
Investments not generally suitable to the PUBLIC(=UNSOPHISTICATED INVESTOR).

Selected response from:

wfarkas (X)
Canada
Local time: 07:46

Grading comment

3 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

securities

Dirk Albishausen

ALTERNATIVE investments (=ANDERE Werte)

wfarkas (X)

products

gangels (X)

Discussion entries: 11

Hermien Desaivre

South Africa

ASKER

KOG

11:50 Sep 22, 2010

What I intend putting into the KOG is: "andere Werte"- "alternative investments / securities / products". Thoughts?

Hermien Desaivre

South Africa

ASKER

Grading this question and KOG

11:49 Sep 22, 2010

I am going to award 3 points to "alternative investments" because although I do believe that both the other answers are correct too, after much discussion and phoning around to investor contacts we ended up using "alternative investments". I am of the opinion, however, that all three terms are correct, although I think that "andere" turned out to be more crucial than I had thought and somewhat changed the approach to "Werte". So I would like to add all the options into the KOG, and if somebody here disagrees, you are welcome to pick up the topic and run with it. I would like the proper term/s to be entered into the KOG. Thanks to all!

Hermien Desaivre

South Africa

ASKER

Thanks to everybody

07:11 Sep 17, 2010

... for being so generous with your help and information - I learned a great deal. I'll close and grade soon.

wfarkas (X)

Canada

Alternative Investments -revisited

04:14 Sep 17, 2010

Here is the "real McCoy": LGT Group - Die Wealth & Asset Management Gruppe (owned by and managed on behalf of Son Altesse sérénissime, the Prince of Liechtenstein).

http://www.lgt.com/de/institutionelle_kunden/kompetenzen/alt...

wfarkas (X)

Canada

03:47 Sep 17, 2010

Alternative investments is a new marketing buzz word.Think hedge funds, commodities, real estate, financial derivatives, etc.

Hermien Desaivre

South Africa

ASKER

Good point

19:21 Sep 16, 2010

I had it as that at first, and then decided against it. I'll put it in the gloss like that, thanks.

wfarkas (X)

Canada

19:09 Sep 16, 2010

Your request should be for "ANDERE WERTE" not just "WERTE" alone.

Hermien Desaivre

South Africa

ASKER

Thanks

17:06 Sep 16, 2010

I also thought of securities, but I don't find hits in EN when I Google it. I suspect that there are only translated versions of this type of investment company / fund. I am hoping to get conclusive information from local fund managers and will post what I get. Thanks for the input.

Ted Wozniak

United States

securities is another option

16:00 Sep 16, 2010

as Werte is quite often used to mean the investment securities that the company holds. Certainly NOT "value".

Paul Skidmore

Germany

assets

15:51 Sep 16, 2010

on the basis of what you have given us, assets sounds good to me

swisstell

Italy

values versus assets

14:57 Sep 16, 2010

I am with you on assets.

Answers

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Werte (here) securities

Explanation:
As suggested by Ted Wozniak. The context needs to be considered. Here, "Werte" is used as a term for anything that can be traded (i.e. has a value).

The English term is "securities".

Dirk Albishausen
Canada
Local time: 07:46
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: OK, this is also logical. I avoided "securities" because "Wertpapiere" appears all over the doc, and I thought that the EN term would not be the same for "Wertpapiere" and "Werte" in this context, but you have a point.

4 hrs confidence:

Werte (here)

ALTERNATIVE investments (=ANDERE Werte)

Explanation:
Investments not generally suitable to the PUBLIC(=UNSOPHISTICATED INVESTOR).

Reference: http://www.morganlewis.com/documents/VCPEFdeskbook/VCPEFdesk...

wfarkas (X)
Canada
Local time: 07:46
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 24

Notes to answerer

Asker: ...due to being more risky? Makes sense.

5 hrs confidence:

Werte (here) products

Explanation:
An investment company specializing in sector-specific, unconventional investment products with high-risk exposure (closed-end)[NOT ended]

The idea is high risk/high return. Here, the English 'segmented' suggests the unflattering idea of 'grab-bag'. They probably mean to say that they are active in different investment sectors. These types of investment are usually referred to as 'products', or somewhat disparagingly as 'exotic investment products' (in reality trading vehicles more than 'investments')

gangels (X)
Local time: 05:46
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

German
PRO pts in category: 45

Notes to answerer

Asker: Very informative, thanks. You have opened a can of beans for me, because "segmented" appears all over the document... I will have to rethink it. :-)

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