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Dialog zwischen Politik und Gesellschaft

English translation: exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the public/society at large

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German term or phrase:Dialog zwischen Politik und Gesellschaft
English translation:exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the public/society at large
Entered by: YorickJenkins

17:23 Feb 20, 2010
German to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics / Politische Stiftungen
German term or phrase: Dialog zwischen Politik und Gesellschaft
I know it seems ridiculous to put this up here but maybe not. This term has 640,000 entries in German and
"dialogue between politics and society" has 5 in English all translations from the German! Dialogue between politics and society is near to meaningless to my ears. I think the expression is foreign to English and should not be translated the obvious way (dialogue between politics and society").

My full sentence (a text about political fundations in Germany) is:
Indem sie in öffentlichen Veranstaltungen in Deutschland aktuelle internationale Themen aufgreifen und aufbereiten, tragen sie darüber hinaus auch zum **Dialog zwischen Politik und Gesellschaft** zu diesen Fragen bei.

Suggestions or advice appreciated. Many thanks
Yorick Jenkins
YorickJenkins
Local time: 20:40
exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the general public
Explanation:
...they facilitate [enable, promote] the exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the general public [citizens].
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Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 11:40
Grading comment
I took this-also ToniTK's suggestion for "public/society at large" although for a slightly different reason-not sure about "the great unwashed" but "general public" does have a resonance of the politically non-committed or unintersted and the public or society at large very slightly shifts the balance very slightly towards the notion of members of the public or society who might be interested but are outside the charmed circle of policy makers, and that I think is what the German is saying. I was pleased to see that this inspired some debate and that you all seem to agree that an optimal rendering is not the obvious and easy "dialogue between politics and society".

4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +6exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the general public
Johanna Timm, PhD
4 +1.... (contribute to the) dialogue between policymakers and the community
Rosa Paredes
3dialogue between policy makers and civil society
casper (X)
3dialogue with society in developing policy society
Donal Murphy-Bokern
3political and social discourse
William Murphy
3 -1dialog on political and social issues
Susan Welsh
1dialogue between government and civil society
andres-larsen
Summary of reference entries provided
Dialog zwischen Vertretern
Johanna Timm, PhD

Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
dialog on political and social issues


Explanation:
From the attached reference, I think this would work. It does not seem to mean a dialog between political people and ordinary citizens, so much as the focus on the issues.


    Reference: http://www.fes.de/forumpug/
Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 14:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Rosa Paredes: does not reflect the meaning of the original
46 mins
  -> I hope you looked at my reference, because I think what I posted is well reflected there.
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
dialogue between policy makers and civil society


Explanation:
http://shortify.com/9918


In contrast, Gesellschaft (often translated as society or civil society or 'association') describes associations in which, for the individual, the larger association never takes on more importance than the individual's self interest, and lack the same level of shared mores. Gesellschaft is maintained through individuals acting in their own self interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeinschaft_and_Gesellschaft

casper (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 17

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  British Diana: civil society is not a common term at all
12 mins
neutral  Textklick: Unconvinced
5 hrs
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
dialogue between government and civil society


Explanation:
As they address and discuss current political topics at public events in Germany, they also contribute to the ***dialogue between government and civil society*** on these issues.

sources:

Germany - Forum Global Issues - The Forum serves as a Federal Foreign Office platform for the ***dialogue between government and civil society***. This dialogue between government and ...
www.auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/.../Uebersicht.html -

[PDF] STRENGTHENING THE CIVIL SOCIETY DIMENSION OF THE ENP - : PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick view
that the role and capacity of local civil society varies. ***The most important dialogue is that between government and civil society in the partner countries***. ...
ec.europa.eu/world/.../non-paper_civil-society-dimension_en.pdf -

Open Government - OECD Online Bookshop - 13 Jan 2004 ... Open Government Fostering Dialogue with Civil Society ... partnerships between government, citizens and civil society organizations. ...
www.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/display.asp?K... -

Active Learning Centre :: Developing Civil Society - ***Dialogue between accountable civil organisations and government*** ... (NGOs) and Civil Society' was to examine the relationship between government and ...
www.activelearningcentre.org/civil_society/ -

[DOC] Promoting Government-Civil Society Partnerships - : Microsoft Word - HTML
This new area of focus of the OAS in government-civil society partnerships, ... while promoting public sector-civil society dialogue and partnerships. ... the OAS for strengthening cooperation between governments and civil society and ...
www.civil-society.oas.org/USDE.doc -

Foreign Policy and Transnational Contention: Contemporary ... - F Policy
This paper aims at understanding and analysing institutional mechanisms of ***dialogue between the central government and civil society non-state actors*** in the ...
www.allacademic.com/meta/p381531_index.html -

Commonwealth People's Forum - To raise the visibility of civil society organisations in the Commonwealth; ... To create opportunities for ***dialogue between civil society and government*** ...
www.commonwealthfoundation.com/.../peoplesforum/ -

andres-larsen
Venezuela
Local time: 14:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 35

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Textklick: The links that work seem vague at best.
5 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the general public


Explanation:
...they facilitate [enable, promote] the exchange and debate of ideas between policy makers and the general public [citizens].

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 11:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 23
Grading comment
I took this-also ToniTK's suggestion for "public/society at large" although for a slightly different reason-not sure about "the great unwashed" but "general public" does have a resonance of the politically non-committed or unintersted and the public or society at large very slightly shifts the balance very slightly towards the notion of members of the public or society who might be interested but are outside the charmed circle of policy makers, and that I think is what the German is saying. I was pleased to see that this inspired some debate and that you all seem to agree that an optimal rendering is not the obvious and easy "dialogue between politics and society".

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): I think this captures the meaning best
1 hr
agree  Textklick: Like the idea of 'the general public' as a collective noun. I don't see why the latter should be classified as 'ordinary citizens'. Who are the other citizens?
4 hrs
agree  Lancashireman: It's a cliché, Texty. Google is always about the lowest common denominator. 'Extraordinary citizens' would obviously be the political class (smiley). Anyway, genpub is OK but more marketing than politico-speak.
5 hrs
agree  TonyTK: ... but I'd personally prefer "society at large". "General public" makes me think of "the punters" or the "great unwashed".
16 hrs
agree  dkfmmuc: Think this is a great one, just want to agree.
23 hrs
agree  Damian Harrison (X): Yes, this sounds right to me.
1 day 15 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
.... (contribute to the) dialogue between policymakers and the community


Explanation:
Have a look here
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=policy makers ...

http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Gesellschaft.html

Rosa Paredes
Canada
Local time: 14:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 2

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  DFTS (X): I like it, except I would might say "policymakers and their communities/constituents. That's what I think about in the U.S. with congressional town hall meetings where dialogue takes place between policy makers and their constituents in their communities.
2 hrs
neutral  Textklick: 'Community' maybe too local/regional?
4 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
dialogue with society in developing policy society


Explanation:
The problem may be that therre is no word in German for policy as against politics

Donal Murphy-Bokern
Germany
Local time: 20:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 22
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
political and social discourse


Explanation:
an idea

William Murphy
Italy
Local time: 20:40
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Reference comments


55 mins
Reference: Dialog zwischen Vertretern

Reference information:
"Regelmäßig organisiert das Forum Politik und Gesellschaft Tagungen, Konferenzen, Podiumsdiskussionen und Workshops zu aktuellen Fragen aus diesen Politikbereichen. Unsere Veranstaltungen bieten Raum für einen Dialog zwischen Bürger/innen und Vertreter/innen<b/> aus Politik, Wissenschaft, Medien, Zivilgesellschaft und Wirtschaft"


    Reference: http://www.fes.de/forumpug/
Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 23
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