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Zweiklassenrecht

English translation: two-tier legal system

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German term or phrase:Zweiklassenrecht
English translation:two-tier legal system
Entered by: Cilian O'Tuama

16:36 Sep 3, 2002
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Government / Politics / Politics
German term or phrase: Zweiklassenrecht
article about the International Criminal Court in the Hague and how the Amis want a 'Zweiklassenrecht'. I'm thinking 'dual track justice' but think I (we) can do better, thanks
Jonathan MacKerron
two-tier legal system
Explanation:
perhaps

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Note added at 2002-09-03 16:47:26 (GMT)
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http://www.uwo.ca/univsec/senate/minutes/2000/m0011sen.html
Hearings and appeals. The objective, as stated at the beginning of the report, is that minor offences be dealt with expeditiously and informally and that even major offences be dealt with reasonably expeditiously. The right of appeal militates against making every determination of every complaint an interminably justiciable process. Concerns about delay are justifiable. Another concern related to delay is expense because it is very expensive to involve lawyers. It raises the specter that even in relatively minor circumstances those who would bring lawyers would be those who could afford them; in other words, a potential **two tier legal system**.
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Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Local time: 18:38
Grading comment
Special thanks to Cilian and to everyone else, cheers.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3two-tier legal system
Cilian O'Tuama
5two-class legal system
Transdave (X)
4one rule for them and one rule for everybody else
Kevin Harper
4dual-class system
Trudy Peters
4two-speed justice system
writeaway
3 -1discriminating legal system
Cilian O'Tuama


  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
two-tier legal system


Explanation:
perhaps

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Note added at 2002-09-03 16:47:26 (GMT)
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http://www.uwo.ca/univsec/senate/minutes/2000/m0011sen.html
Hearings and appeals. The objective, as stated at the beginning of the report, is that minor offences be dealt with expeditiously and informally and that even major offences be dealt with reasonably expeditiously. The right of appeal militates against making every determination of every complaint an interminably justiciable process. Concerns about delay are justifiable. Another concern related to delay is expense because it is very expensive to involve lawyers. It raises the specter that even in relatively minor circumstances those who would bring lawyers would be those who could afford them; in other words, a potential **two tier legal system**.


Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Local time: 18:38
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
Special thanks to Cilian and to everyone else, cheers.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Transdave (X): To my mind, 'two#tier' implies two levels. However, the German is referring to a two-class legal system.
37 mins
  -> If you read the final 2 sentences, they do refer to two classes; one that can afford lawyers and one that can't.
agree  Richard George Elliott: two-tier commonly used to convey this sense of dual class
1 hr
  -> thank you, someone who understands ;-)
agree  KiwiSue: the literal translation of "tier" does imply levels but this term has become so widely used in debates about legal and medical systems, I think it should stand
5 hrs
  -> thank you too, someone else who understands :-))
agree  Karlo Heppner
8 hrs
agree  Petra Dr. Schmidt-Sarbutt
18 hrs
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
one rule for them and one rule for everybody else


Explanation:
Not exactly a short answer, but I think it covers the idea.

Kevin Harper
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:38
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Transdave (X): That's the gist of it, but you can't phrase it that way in this text.
23 mins
  -> I think it will be difficult to make it neater, but hopefully someone will prove me wrong.
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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
two-class legal system


Explanation:
"Zweiklassen-" is a popular term here in Germany to refer to anything that doesn't treat everybody as equals. At the moment, there is a lot of heated debate about the healthcare system here leading to "Zweiklassenmedizin", i.e. the mass of people in the "Krankenkassen" and the more priveleged ones with private health insurance with far better benefits.

The phrase above fits in with this and is a negative reference to the Americans' insistance that their nationals will not be subject to the ICC like everybody else - resulting in a two-class legal system.

Transdave (X)
Local time: 18:38

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  jerrie
26 mins
disagree  KiwiSue: it may be a common term in German but imho it is not expressed like that in English
4 hrs
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
dual-class system


Explanation:
maybe

Trudy Peters
United States
Local time: 12:38
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Karlo Heppner: Generell gebräuchlich, habe aber speziell zu dualclass legal system nichts gefunden.
7 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
discriminating legal system


Explanation:
another possibility

or even "selective"

Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Local time: 18:38
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Karlo Heppner: Zu allgemein, und beinhaltet nicht die zwei Klassen ( es könnten ja auch drei sein, die unterschieden werden)
7 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
two-speed justice system


Explanation:
I have also heard (read) this in the context of systems.

. We have in effect a two-speed, elitist system which denies women ... All Members must be very thankful to Miss Justice Mella ... The present system is totally unjust ...
www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/D.0427.199302260004.html

Negotiating positions: Preparations hotting up as WTO Secretariat seeks to ‘pre-cook’ a draft and avoid repeating Seattle. US position unclear as new administration beds in, but developing countries won't accept US demands for core labour standards backed by sanctions.
Deterioration in US economy may help finding a compromise. EU wants next round to focus on investment and competition, and to be held in a
limited, ‘plurilateral’ arena. Runs risk of not winning support and setting
up two-speed system of trade norms.
http://www.oneworld.org/bond/advocacy/monitor.html

writeaway
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
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