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.. macht die Wissenschaft erst zur Wissenschaft

English translation: defines academic practice

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German term or phrase:.. macht die Wissenschaft erst zur Wissenschaft
English translation:defines academic practice

16:45 Oct 8, 2012
    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2012-10-11 23:55:36 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)


German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Education / Pedagogy / Description of a
German term or phrase: .. macht die Wissenschaft erst zur Wissenschaft
"Der redliche Umgang mit Daten, Fakten und geistigem Eigentum macht die Wissenschaft erst zur Wissenschaft."

The general subject is "Principles of good academic practice", and have therefore translated wissenschaftlich as academic throughout...
John Kingsmore
defines academic practice
Explanation:
This might be one way of saying it in a simple, succinct manner. I am sure there will be other alternatives.

... is the very definition of ...

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Note added at 51 mins (2012-10-08 17:36:59 GMT)
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One might also say that the redliche Umgang mit ... epitomises or is the very epitomy of academic practice.
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:42
Grading comment
Thanks! I put ... is the very definition of academic practice... - although the problem throughout is that the subject is academic practice, but keeps referring to "Wissenschaft" ....
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +6defines academic practice
Helen Shiner
4 +3is what scholarship is all about
Kim Metzger
4"It is the [...] by which science is characterised"
Christof Hoss
3 +1are the cornerstone of academic practice
Michael Martin, MA
3 -1makes a science truly scientific
Horst Huber (X)


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
is what scholarship is all about


Explanation:
Or something along those lines, maybe.

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Penn anticipates that you will pursue your studies with purpose and integrity. Honesty is what makes scholarship possible in any academic discipline.

http://www.upenn.edu/academicintegrity/


Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 05:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 903

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lirka
1 hr
agree  BrigitteHilgner
3 hrs
agree  Cilian O'Tuama: I think this sums it up nicely
6 hrs
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37 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
"It is the [...] by which science is characterised"


Explanation:
"It is the [...] by which science is characterised."

"It is the [...] that characterises science."

"Science is characterised by [...]."

Christof Hoss
Local time: 13:42
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
defines academic practice


Explanation:
This might be one way of saying it in a simple, succinct manner. I am sure there will be other alternatives.

... is the very definition of ...

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Note added at 51 mins (2012-10-08 17:36:59 GMT)
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One might also say that the redliche Umgang mit ... epitomises or is the very epitomy of academic practice.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:42
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 129
Grading comment
Thanks! I put ... is the very definition of academic practice... - although the problem throughout is that the subject is academic practice, but keeps referring to "Wissenschaft" ....

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michael Martin, MA: makes sense to me
2 mins
  -> Thanks, Michael
agree  mill2: is the very definition of
32 mins
  -> Thanks, mill
agree  Usch Pilz
4 hrs
  -> Thanks, Usch
agree  Cilian O'Tuama: and so does this
6 hrs
  -> Thanks, Cilian
agree  Ramey Rieger (X): I've always like the word "epitomy". Both suggestions are good.
14 hrs
  -> Thanks, Ramey
agree  Christof Hoss
3 days 11 hrs
  -> Thanks, Christof
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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
makes a science truly scientific


Explanation:
The offered versions are ways of saying it, but they were not chosen in the German statement.

Horst Huber (X)
United States
Local time: 07:42
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: By choosing to translate this as science, you exclude the arts and humanities, hence the broader academic / practice, as intended by the GER../as they do in the EN-speaking realms but they are not termed in this way.
4 hrs
  -> Yes, of course, in the German way of thinking, humanities and social sciences do claim to be scientific.
disagree  Cilian O'Tuama: have to disagree: make a science scientific?
5 hrs
  -> Thank you!
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
are the cornerstone of academic practice


Explanation:
Not the first time I've heard of "cornerstone" being used in a similar fashion

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Note added at 26 Min. (2012-10-08 17:12:14 GMT)
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"hallmark of academic practice" should work here as well

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Note added at 1 Stunde (2012-10-08 18:04:58 GMT)
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Sorry, make that "is" the cornerstone of academic practice or "is one of the cornerstones of academic practice" (depending on your demands for exactitude and logic)


    Reference: http://www.apbahome.net/ethical_guidelines.php
Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 07:42
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 178

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Shiner: is the cornerstone or hallmark .... though I wonder if cornerstones work better when there are more than one of them. Hallmark is fine as a singular concept./Except that there is normally more than one cornerstone, so it sounds odd.
21 mins
  -> Thanks - In case of doubt, the singular tends to be the safer bet, I think..Agree, but it doesn't seem to matter to the average user..
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