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college vs university

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English term or phrase:college vs university
Indonesian translation:see explanation
Entered by: Kardi Kho

04:59 Jan 14, 2003
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English term or phrase: college vs university
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Indonesia
Local time: 01:08
perbedaan college dan university secara umum
Explanation:
I believe there's no easy distinction between the two, as Kim has pointed out, and all the answerers made their points here. My answer, just like Peter's, will try to summarize all the information provided above based on the definitions given by the OED. And since the asker wanted the explanation in Bahasa Indonesia, my explanation will be given in Bahasa Indonesia.

Saya kira arti university sudah cukup jelas disini. Yang menjadi masalah adalah college. Seperti yang terlihat dari jawaban2 diatas, college mempunyai arti yang berbeda-beda dan penggunaan yang berbeda di Amerika dan Inggris, dan mungkin juga dengan negara lainnya.

Menurut Oxford English Dictionary, college mempunyai beberapa arti, yaitu:
(berikut hanya yang berhubungan dengan konteks kali ini)

1. (often in names)(in Britain) a place where students go to study or to receive training after they have left school, eg a technical/secretarial college, the Royal College of Art, a college course/student.(lihat jawaban Peter)

2. (often in names)(in the US) a university where students can study for a degree after they have left school, eg Carleton College, a college campus/student.

3. one of the separate institutions that some British universities, such as Oxford and Cambridge, are divided into, eg King's College, Cambridge.

4. (in the US) one of the main divisions of some large universities, eg The history department is part of the College of Arts and Sciences. (lihat jawaban Fuad)

5. (esp in names), in Britain and some other countries) a secondary school, esp one where you must pay, eg Eton College.

6. (usually in names) an organized group of profesional people with special interests, duties or powers, eg the Royal College of Physicians, the American College of Cardiology.

Dari penjelasan di atas jelas terlihat bahwa college mempunyai arti yang beragam dan penggunaannya di Amerika dan Inggrispun agak berbeda. Selain yang disebutkan di atas, juga ada community college yang di Inggris lebih sebagai secondary school, sedangkan di Amerika lebih sebagai college dengan waktu 2 tahun.
Jadi memang college mempunyai penggunaan yang luas sekali dan penjelasan diatas hanyalah merupakan perbedaannya secara umum.
Semoga jawaban diatas dapat memberikan masukan tentang perbedaan keduanya. Pertanyaan yang menarik, Aning. ;)


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Jadi bisa saya tekankan disini bahwa college mempunyai arti yang lebih dari sekedar \'university\'. College dapat berarti university dan dapat pula mengacu pada arti yang lain. Jadi, pengertian college benar-benar tergantung pada konteksnya.
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Kardi Kho
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Local time: 01:08
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Summary of answers provided
5 +5A university offers graduate degrees (Master's, PhD, medical, law, architecture).
Refugio
5 +5Both are institutions of post-secondary education
Fuad Yahya
5 +5UK perspective
Peter Coles
4 +4Canadian difference:
karen80
4 +2Answer from one US American
Kim Metzger
5Usage
Simon Oliver
5Further comment
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4perbedaan college dan university secara umum
Kardi Kho
4Another take
Nancy Arrowsmith


  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Answer from one US American


Explanation:
There's no easy distinction and some differences are based on which English-speaking country one is from. One of the best schools of higher learning in the world is Harvard College located in Boston, Mass.

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I attended Stevens College at the University of California in Santa Cruz. Many universities have colleges which tend to specialize in different disciplines.

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If you ask an American where he or she studied, most of them would not say, \"I went to university in Colorado\", eg. even though the school they attended was the University of Colorado. Instead it\'s considered more natural to say, \"I went to college in Colorado.\" But I think this tends to be an American habit.

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 12:08
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Refugio: I believe they call it Harvard University.
3 mins
  -> Yes, often, but it's also officially called Harvard College. http://www.college.harvard.edu/
agree  Chris Rowson (X): It´s much the same in my (English) perception. Some Universities have colleges some don´t, but it is in any case common to say e.g. "I went to college in Birmingham" when the formally correct is "I went to Birmingham University". Begitu hal itunya.
40 mins
agree  EDLING (X): You all are right. In America (not in the UK) the only difference is how they call the institution and how they organise it to use one word or the other. American friends never agreed to give me an explanation for the difference between them.
1 hr
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
A university offers graduate degrees (Master's, PhD, medical, law, architecture).


Explanation:
A college offers four-year degrees.
A junior college offers two-year degrees.

(Sorry, I don't speak Indonesian. This was posted in English monolingual. I hope my answer is of some help to you.)

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It is true that many universities, as larger entities, contain a number of colleges. But I believe all those colleges are undergraduate.

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A good example of the American system is Harvard University.

The Schools of Harvard
The web sites of the major schools (or \"faculties\") at Harvard University contain extensive information on programs of study, registration, student services, transcripts, and public affairs.

Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS)
Humanities, natural sciences,
computer sciences, and social sciences

- Harvard College
- Graduate School of Arts and
Sciences
- Division of Engineering and
Applied Sciences
- Division of Continuing Education
(including Extension School and
Summer School)

Faculty of Medicine
General medicine and medical specialties; medical research
Harvard Medical School
School of Dental Medicine

Harvard Business School
Business administration, management

Graduate School of Design
Architecture, landscape architecture, urban planning

Harvard Divinity School
Theology, world religions, ministerial studies

Graduate School of Education
Education, educational practice, human development

JFK School of Government
Public policy and administration, political economy

Harvard Law School
Constitutional, criminal, and international law; corporate finance

Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study
Interdisciplinary center for scholarship and learning

School of Public Health
Public health policy, epidemiology, nutrition, international health

http://www.harvard.edu/academics/


Refugio
Local time: 11:08
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Andrea Ali
16 mins
  -> Thanks Andrea
agree  Arthur Borges: This is the basic distinction.
29 mins
  -> Thanks Arthur
neutral  Kim Metzger: Balliol College is one of Oxford's foremost Graduate Centres, and some 60-70 graduate students are admitted each year.
31 mins
  -> You are right, it is a bit different in the UK. I am only familiar with the American system.
agree  Montefiore: most universities have a number of colleges under the university umbrella, and everything else is true
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Montefiore
agree  EDLING (X): You all are right. In America (not in the UK) the only difference is how they call the institution and how they organise it to use one word or the other. American friends never agreed to give me an explanation for the difference between them.
1 hr
  -> Don't you have that backwards?
agree  LaCat
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, LaCat
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Both are institutions of post-secondary education


Explanation:
The level of post secondary education can be referred to as univrsity level or college level.

A university typically offers many programs, administered by various departments, sometimes grouped in "colleges" accoding to subject matter. In the US, these colleges are often called "schools" (e.g., sechool of business, music school, etc.). In the UK, they are often called "faculties."

In some cases, especially in the UK, the division within a university into colleges is not realted to subject matter. The university would simply consist of several semi-autonomous units, each called a college.

In the US, "College" is sometimes used for "junior college" (a college that offers a 2-year program after high school). "College" is also often used for "community college" (a school that offers a variety of university level courses that can lead to a degree program).

The names are not as rigidly defined as one may wish. Some "univesities" are called "colleges" and vice-versa.

"College" is also used for some secondary schools (high schools in the US).

Fuad

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Please forgive my typos.

Fuad Yahya
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kim Metzger: Good explanation.
21 mins
agree  Nina Engberg
53 mins
neutral  Montefiore: in the US, it's pretty well defined - a basic college confers a bachelor's degree, while university has graduate school, in addition to colleges, and confers also advanced degrees - Ruth is absolutely correct
1 hr
  -> One would wish it were as well-defined as this.
agree  EDLING (X): You all are right. In America (not in the UK) the only difference is how they call the institution and how they organise it to use one word or the other. American friends never agreed to give me an explanation for the difference between them.
1 hr
agree  Kardi Kho
8 hrs
agree  AhmedAMS
349 days
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Canadian difference:


Explanation:
in English Canada, college is for technical degrees, university offers undergraduate, graduate, and postgrad degrees

karen80
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Marie Scarano
42 mins
agree  Refugio: Good info to have and please excuse my using the word American without including Canada and in fact the whole rest of the Americas.
3 hrs
agree  PAS: I was scrolling down and, to my relief, the definition of Canehjan college was there - only second last!
3 hrs
agree  NancyLynn: Don't forget the difference in cost between the two!!!
1 day 17 hrs
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
UK perspective


Explanation:
Much good information has already been shared above, so this answer will (in English I'm afraid) summarise and develop the UK situation only.

In the UK a university is where one goes to study (or read) for a degree.

College can be used in two ways. It can refer to autonomous units of Universities such as Balliol College, part of the Oxford University or Birkbeck College, part of the University of London, however this usage tend to be used only by those who attended a particular institution or are familar with its structure.

The more common usage is to refer to a College of Further or Higher Education.
Colleges of Further Education offer courses suitable for 16-18 years olds, i.e. A levels (normally required by thiose going on to study for a degree) and non-degree level vocational courses and qualifications e.g. in childcare, the building trades, tourism.

Colleges of Higher Education aim at an older student, typically 18+ and offer non-degree academic courses often with a vocational theme e.g. business studies, fashion, though sometimes these courses are diplomas at post-graduate level.

Because colleges in general offer qualifications at a lower level than universities, most UK graduates (unlike their American cousins) will say that they went to university rather than college, except when they are referring to a specific prestigious college that they think their listener will recognise.

Peter Coles
Local time: 19:08
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yoshiro Shibasaki, PhD
2 hrs
agree  Anna Moorby DipTrans
2 hrs
agree  Kardi Kho
3 hrs
agree  Liv Bliss (X): I was educated in the UK (actually went to... *university* there, ending up at the graduates-only Linacre... *college*, Oxford), have been in the US for 20+ years. I think Peter's contribution is pretty much spot on.
5 hrs
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agree  Spiros Doikas
11 hrs
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Usage


Explanation:
When one is talking about the good old days one says: "We used to go boozing every night when we were at college"

When asked "Where did you take your BA?", one answers, "at Bristol University"

Simon Oliver
France
Local time: 20:08
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
perbedaan college dan university secara umum


Explanation:
I believe there's no easy distinction between the two, as Kim has pointed out, and all the answerers made their points here. My answer, just like Peter's, will try to summarize all the information provided above based on the definitions given by the OED. And since the asker wanted the explanation in Bahasa Indonesia, my explanation will be given in Bahasa Indonesia.

Saya kira arti university sudah cukup jelas disini. Yang menjadi masalah adalah college. Seperti yang terlihat dari jawaban2 diatas, college mempunyai arti yang berbeda-beda dan penggunaan yang berbeda di Amerika dan Inggris, dan mungkin juga dengan negara lainnya.

Menurut Oxford English Dictionary, college mempunyai beberapa arti, yaitu:
(berikut hanya yang berhubungan dengan konteks kali ini)

1. (often in names)(in Britain) a place where students go to study or to receive training after they have left school, eg a technical/secretarial college, the Royal College of Art, a college course/student.(lihat jawaban Peter)

2. (often in names)(in the US) a university where students can study for a degree after they have left school, eg Carleton College, a college campus/student.

3. one of the separate institutions that some British universities, such as Oxford and Cambridge, are divided into, eg King's College, Cambridge.

4. (in the US) one of the main divisions of some large universities, eg The history department is part of the College of Arts and Sciences. (lihat jawaban Fuad)

5. (esp in names), in Britain and some other countries) a secondary school, esp one where you must pay, eg Eton College.

6. (usually in names) an organized group of profesional people with special interests, duties or powers, eg the Royal College of Physicians, the American College of Cardiology.

Dari penjelasan di atas jelas terlihat bahwa college mempunyai arti yang beragam dan penggunaannya di Amerika dan Inggrispun agak berbeda. Selain yang disebutkan di atas, juga ada community college yang di Inggris lebih sebagai secondary school, sedangkan di Amerika lebih sebagai college dengan waktu 2 tahun.
Jadi memang college mempunyai penggunaan yang luas sekali dan penjelasan diatas hanyalah merupakan perbedaannya secara umum.
Semoga jawaban diatas dapat memberikan masukan tentang perbedaan keduanya. Pertanyaan yang menarik, Aning. ;)


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Note added at 2003-01-15 03:17:20 (GMT)
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Jadi bisa saya tekankan disini bahwa college mempunyai arti yang lebih dari sekedar \'university\'. College dapat berarti university dan dapat pula mengacu pada arti yang lain. Jadi, pengertian college benar-benar tergantung pada konteksnya.

Kardi Kho
Indonesia
Local time: 01:08
Native speaker of: Native in IndonesianIndonesian
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makasih banyak K, jawaban anda selalu bisa memuaskan.
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Another take


Explanation:
I know there are lots of good answers, but I couldn't get on the site this morning. Historically, there was a difference, although this changed over time, as several have already pointed out. The college (collegium) was a small institution of higher learning. Oxford's colleges started this way. Then, with the move toward more UNIVERSal education, the colleges were grouped together in universities, and new, modern universities were founded. In the US today, the universities are usually large state institutions, while colleges tend to be private, although the distinctions are not clear any more, and there are many exceptions to the rule.

Reference: I was born while my father went to one of the Oxford "colleges", and then moved around to an unbelievable number of universities and colleges in the US.

Nancy Arrowsmith
Local time: 12:08
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Further comment


Explanation:
I'ma afraid that I can't answer in Indonesian. But then the question is unfortunatelmy lacking in context, so that answers are going to be a bid hit and miss. Just like in school/college/university, not understanding the question makes for general answers!

So, in terms of usage, familiar GB English uses "college" to mean "university". Familiar US English uses "school" for university.

Others have made useful contributions to meanings of college and uni to which I have nothing further to add.



Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 20:08
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