by comping

German translation: begleiten

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English term or phrase:comping
German translation:begleiten
Entered by: GAK (X)

18:09 Apr 8, 2003
English to German translations [PRO]
Music / Musik
English term or phrase: by comping
Aus dem Bereich Musik:

While practising and recording, I had the impression that the living XXX was instructing and conducting me **by comping**, as I played his orignal score.

Im Text kommt ebenfalls das Wort "comp" vor. Ist dies eine Abkürzung für "compose"? Oder handelt es sich um einen Fachbegriff aus der Musikwelt?
GAK (X)
Local time: 18:44
begleiten
Explanation:
ich glaube, das ist hier gemeint - siehe auch URL ("the Art of Comping")
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Christine Healy-Rendel (X)
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Vielen Dank an alle für die Vorschläge!!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2begleiten
Christine Healy-Rendel (X)
5durch improvisieren
Chris Rowson (X)
4durch Begleiten
Thilo Santl
4indem er Comping als Begleittechnik benutzte
Valentín Hernández Lima
3komplementieren
Ivo Lang


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
begleiten


Explanation:
ich glaube, das ist hier gemeint - siehe auch URL ("the Art of Comping")


    Reference: http://www.realbooks-noten.de/p180.html
Christine Healy-Rendel (X)
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Vielen Dank an alle für die Vorschläge!!

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agree  Thilo Santl: um ein Minütchen!
2 mins
  -> Danke, Thilo. Du hast recht, es sollte "durch Begleiten" lauten, denn die Frage lautete ja "by comping"

agree  Geneviève von Levetzow
31 mins
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durch Begleiten


Explanation:
s. Link unten

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Note added at 2003-04-08 19:47:01 (GMT)
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Anscheinend haben Chris und Ivo recht, Begleiten ist wohl nicht ausreichend.

Unter der URL http://www.darmstadt.de/kultur/musik/jazz/history/Jazzhistor... beispielsweise findet sich folgende Definition:

\"Der two beat des New-Orleans/Dixielandstils wird durch den four beat abgelöst, eine Betonung aller vier Schläge des Taktes durch den Kontrabaß, der die Technik des walking bass entwickelt, eine meist in Sekundschritten fortschreitende gezupfte Linie als harmonisch-rhythmisches Fundament der Musik. Der Schlagzeuger betont dazu (durch Baßtrommel oder Becken) die after-beat-Schläge 2 und 4. Der Gitarrist spielt akkordisch und betont ebenfalls alle vier Taktschläge. Das Klavier setzt in der Begleitung häufig off beat verschobene Akkordeinwürfe und entwickelt dabei die Technik des comping, eine Begleittechnik auf der Basis von Baß und Schlagzeug, außerdem eine rhythmische Irritation, die den Grund für den jeweiligen Solisten spannender machen soll\".

Vielleicht sollte man Comping als Fachbegriff stehen lassen, da er in sämtlichen der gefundenen dt. Texten, auch in Fachtexten nur umschrieben, nicht übersetzt wurde. (Google-Suche: comping+definition).


    Reference: http:///www.realbooks-noten.de/p180.html
Thilo Santl
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komplementieren


Explanation:
Hier ein Zitat:
http://www.indiana.edu/~smithcj/cjsne167.html

I'd just add to Paul's remarks that, as another outsider to the tradition, I've found it useful as a backer to think in terms of the jazz analogue, which is referred to as "'comping." Numerous pianists have told me, when I was being clueless in a jazz context, that 'comping is a contraction not of "accompanying" but of "complimenting." What that means to me is that my overriding responsibility in a given situation is to play what that situation calls for, one powerful factor in deciding which is what the melody players seem to want. That means playing minimalistically when that's what the players/situation want, and kicking out the jams when that's wanted. I personally _like_ both situations, and especially when playing with somebody who likes the backing to kick him/her in the butt. I like the dynamic interaction that happens when

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Note added at 2003-04-08 18:18:19 (GMT)
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According to this site, \"comping\" ist nicht bloßes Begleiten sondern eine Weise des Spielens, die einen anderen Musiker \"ergänzt\" und \"unterstützt\".

Ivo Lang
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indem er Comping als Begleittechnik benutzte


Explanation:
To comp means "to play an irregular rhythmic chord accompaniment for jazz". Maybe this is the meaning of the word here as a verb. In addition, "comp" is widely used as an abbreviation for composed, composer, composite, composition, compositor.

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Valentín Hernández Lima
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durch improvisieren


Explanation:
I am not sure that there is really a German equivalent. This term comes from the jazz and popular music world of the middle of the twentieth century (c. 1930 - 1960) and the connotation is of improvising, with considerable approximation - in this case adapting the improvisation to "instruct and conduct", guiding the student by the additions he is improvising.

The word "comping" is similar to the use in the same set of linguistic contexts of "busking" and "vamping" - it´s relaxed and approximate.

Such playing was highly discouraged, or even forbidden in my background, which had a distinct streak of church/classical connections - people of this world consider comping/vamping disorderly, unskilled and disreputable. (I take a different view these days, and happily play this kind of loose improvisation on the harpsichord.)

Ivo Lang´s quote, with its reference to "complementing", seems pretty convincing as the derivation of the term. It´s certainly not related to "composing".


    Reference: http://www.CandCmusic.net
Chris Rowson (X)
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