بُزُق

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Arabic term or phrase:	بُزُق
English translation:	--
Entered by:	Fuad Yahya

17:37 Mar 20, 2005

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Arabic to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Music / musical instruments

Arabic term or phrase: بُزُق

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Joseph Samir KudoZ activity Questions: 38 (2 open) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 166 Egypt
Local time: 18:29

Summary of answers provided

5 +2

bouzouki

Fuad Yahya

Lute

Iman Khaireddine

3 +1

Saz

Randa Farhat

Discussion entries: 9

Non-ProZ.com

20:59 Mar 30, 2005

... we have a ....

Non-ProZ.com

20:56 Mar 30, 2005

So , obviously the last question will be : When , Where and how can we a consensus ?!

Fuad Yahya

All we have here is that you asked a question, and you answered it yourself. As more information becomes available, there may develop a consensus later on the need for a new English word based on the Arabic name rather than on the Greek name.

07:00 Mar 30, 2005

Fuad Yahya

I cannot fault you for adopting the term that you did, especially if you are confident of your knowledge of the instrument. Terms entered in the KudoZ glossary come either from a definitive source or through a clear consensus, which we do not have here.

06:55 Mar 30, 2005

Non-ProZ.com

10:09 Mar 29, 2005

Hi Fuad , thanks for the comments but I think there is a misunderstanding . I didn't use the word "Bozok" because I considered Mr. Nazih Ghadhban's English an authoritative as you said .. But after a comparison and analysis of what you , Randa and me got .. All the terms mentioned and suggested for the Arabic word �� were referring to an instrument which may be of the same shape and specifications but with various origins rather than the "Arab origin" which is the one I am searching for .. If "no such word (referring to Arab origin) exists in English" then this point supports what I have done which is considering this word a borrowed with respect to the English language and in this case a transliteration and footnote will introduce the word to English speakers .. Don't forget that the word "Oud" is almost the same case of borrowing ..
So , what do you think ?

Fuad Yahya

We are certain that Mr. Ghadhban's instruments are better than his English. See for example, http://www.oudnazihghadban.com/theworkshop.htm

09:12 Mar 29, 2005

Fuad Yahya

Likewise, Mr. Nazih Ghadhban can use any term he likes on his website, but his English usage is not authoritative. You can use the terms that he suggests if you like, but we need to keep the KudoZ glossary as free of questionable translations as possible.

08:19 Mar 29, 2005

Fuad Yahya

You are most welcome, Joseph. Our answers were only suggestions, so you can use any term you wish, but you cannot enter a word like "Bozok" in the Arabic-English glossary, because no such word exists in English.

08:14 Mar 29, 2005

Non-ProZ.com

07:28 Mar 29, 2005

Thanks to you all ( Fuad , Randa and Imane ) .. I have used the word "Bozok" as I guess it is the Arabic word used in the Arab countries , other words are referring to different origins as Randa clarified .. Please check : http://www.oudnazihghadban.com/theperson.htm

Answers

5 mins confidence:

بُزُق Lute

Explanation:
Lute

Iman Khaireddine
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:29
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Arabic
PRO pts in category: 4

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

بُزُق bouzouki

Explanation:
Please take a look here:

http://www.civilization.ca/arts/opus/opus541e.html

Fuad Yahya
Native speaker of:

Arabic,

English
PRO pts in category: 16

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

بُزُق Saz

Explanation:
if you're looking for the oriental instrument
البزق الكردية أو التركية أو الفارسية
i think it's the 'Saz'
http://www.silverbushmusic.com/saz.html
http://www.silverbushmusic.com/Mideaststrings.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/music/world_on_your_street/20...
http://www.tirbespi.com/arab/erebinu 1/15.htm

if you're looking for the 'Greek' one
البازوكا اليونانية
then it's the 'Bouzouki', 'Bouzoukia', 'Bazouki'
http://www.bouzouki.org/
http://www.silverbushmusic.com/bouzukidetail.html

you could serach for the word ساز in this discussion
http://www.4allofus.net/zeryab/archive/index.php/t-156.html

Randa Farhat
Lebanon
Local time: 19:29
Native speaker of: Arabic
PRO pts in category: 4

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