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Typing in Cyrillic
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Laura Whigham-Trouvé  Identity Verified
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May 20, 2013

When I majored in Russian in college, all of my course notes, exams and papers were written by hand. It seems unbelievable now, but we never learned how to type in Russian!

Russian is obviously my source language rather than the target, but I realize how important it is to correspond with recruiters from Russian agencies in their native language. Typing cover letters and responses to job offers is currently a laborious process for me: I write everything on paper and then hunt-and-pe
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When I majored in Russian in college, all of my course notes, exams and papers were written by hand. It seems unbelievable now, but we never learned how to type in Russian!

Russian is obviously my source language rather than the target, but I realize how important it is to correspond with recruiters from Russian agencies in their native language. Typing cover letters and responses to job offers is currently a laborious process for me: I write everything on paper and then hunt-and-peck it in.

I'm curious to know how other RU to EN translators learned to type on the Cyrillic keyboard. There are lots of paid typing courses available online and I'd love to know if anyone can recommend one in particular.

Thank you in advance!

[Edited at 2013-05-20 08:17 GMT]
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Ty Kendall  Identity Verified
Reino Unido
Local time: 17:34
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Practice makes perfect May 20, 2013

Obviously I'm not a RU-EN translator, but I do work with a source language which has a different alphabet so also encountered the same problem [having to learn to type all over again].

Long before I had a Hebrew keyboard I used keyboard stickers (so as not to have to use a separate keyboard) and it is laborious at first - just like when you start typing in your first language, it starts out being more like a "search and poke" method.

I never took any courses [I'm not
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Obviously I'm not a RU-EN translator, but I do work with a source language which has a different alphabet so also encountered the same problem [having to learn to type all over again].

Long before I had a Hebrew keyboard I used keyboard stickers (so as not to have to use a separate keyboard) and it is laborious at first - just like when you start typing in your first language, it starts out being more like a "search and poke" method.

I never took any courses [I'm not sure there were any for HE - in any case I never looked] I just took the long route. I would say that the more you type in the new language the better you get. I used to find excuses to talk to friends on instant messengers (MSN Messenger in those days) to force me to type in Hebrew and to force me to do it as quickly as I could - that's the thing with instant messengers, people expect "instant" answers but it worked in my favour!

I'm at the stage now where I instinctively know where the letters are on the keyboard, and I no longer need the stickers and my Hebrew keyboard gathers dust on a shelf.... Although I should say I still only type at half the speed in Hebrew as I do in English - but that's simply to do with the fact that I still type much much more in English, so it's to be expected somewhat.

So, just in case, there is an alternative to paid courses! .
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Ian Mansbridge  Identity Verified
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Miembro 2012
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Phonetic keyboard layout May 20, 2013

Hi Laura,

I cheat and use a phonetic layout, which means that you get an 'н' with the 'n' key, a 'г' with the 'g' key, etc. Obviously some do not match up exactly, but it makes life a lot easier!

You can download it here: http://winrus.com/kbd_e.htm - the site explains how to go about installing it, I seem to remember it being a very simple process explained rather badly! If you ne
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Hi Laura,

I cheat and use a phonetic layout, which means that you get an 'н' with the 'n' key, a 'г' with the 'g' key, etc. Obviously some do not match up exactly, but it makes life a lot easier!

You can download it here: http://winrus.com/kbd_e.htm - the site explains how to go about installing it, I seem to remember it being a very simple process explained rather badly! If you need any help let me know, and I can try to remember how I did it.

Best wishes,
Ian

Edited to add: An alternative (if you're on a library computer, for example) is to use this tool: http://winrus.com/keyboard.htm and then copy and paste the text.

[Edited at 2013-05-20 07:54 GMT]
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Laura Whigham-Trouvé  Identity Verified
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Great ideas May 20, 2013

Thank you both so much for your suggestions. This site is incredible!

I will definitely try out the phonetic layout as I imagine that lets you harness some of the automatic reflexes that are already there.

All the best,
Laura


 

Recep Kurt  Identity Verified
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Miembro 2011
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Parawin XP May 20, 2013

Hi Laura,

I would recommend a nifty keyboard layout program called ParawinXP (30 day trial dowload is available):

http://www.paratype.com/store/free/pwxp.asp

Initially it has been designed for Windows XP, but I have been able to use it on Windows 7 and 8 (the trick is to run the installation as administrator and then to create your layout in safe mode).... See more
Hi Laura,

I would recommend a nifty keyboard layout program called ParawinXP (30 day trial dowload is available):

http://www.paratype.com/store/free/pwxp.asp

Initially it has been designed for Windows XP, but I have been able to use it on Windows 7 and 8 (the trick is to run the installation as administrator and then to create your layout in safe mode).

You can create your own keyboard layout if you don't like the default QWERTY phonetic layout.

Good luck!
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Sarai Pahla (MD) MBChB
Alemania
Local time: 18:34
Miembro 2012
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Typing tutors May 20, 2013

I used a number of typing tutors available on the internet - they are free and pretty effective if you want to learn to touch-type (which I do). Here are some links suggested by myself and others:

My recommendations: http://polyglotaholic.blogspot.com/2012/07/russian-keyboard-layout.html
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I used a number of typing tutors available on the internet - they are free and pretty effective if you want to learn to touch-type (which I do). Here are some links suggested by myself and others:

My recommendations: http://polyglotaholic.blogspot.com/2012/07/russian-keyboard-layout.html
stamina.ru
http://ergosolo.ru/


Alternatively, Ty's method with stickers also works pretty well. I would also buy a Russian keyboard if it were more easily available here.
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Guadalupe Cáceres  Identity Verified
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Typing in Cyrillic May 20, 2013

The easiest way I have ever used (only if connected to the Internet) is in www.translit.ru. It's free, and you have to choose how your keyboard is (your source language) and in which language you pretend to transcibe phonetically (Russian, Georgian, Ukarnian,...). Then you just have to copy-paste to your document.

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esperantisto  Identity Verified
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inglés al ruso
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Why? May 20, 2013

Laura Whigham-Trouvé wrote:

There are lots of paid typing courses available online and I'd love to know if anyone can recommend one in particular.


Why pay for courses when there are good keyboard training programs available? Such as Соло на клавиатуре. Or Stamina (freeware, but I don’t know how good it is). Oops, I see, they were recommended above.

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esperantisto  Identity Verified
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If… May 20, 2013

Guadalupe Cáceres wrote:

The easiest way I have ever used (only if connected to the Internet) is in www.translit.ru.


…this is the easiest for you, you might want to try a Russian phonetic layout.


 

Sergei Tumanov  Identity Verified
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Stamina software May 20, 2013

is for you...

 

James McVay  Identity Verified
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An old timer's experience May 21, 2013

I learned to type Cyrillic on an IBM Selectric typewriter when I had to insert Cyrillic letters into translations back in the 1970s -- things like sub- and superscripts in equations, keys to call-outs for figures, etc. I couldn't change the keyboard and had to switch the Selectric ball out for the font I wanted, and I didn't have a chart to tell me which key would give me which Cyrillic letter. So I did the laborious task of making one by switching the balls for each letter. Then I referred to ... See more
I learned to type Cyrillic on an IBM Selectric typewriter when I had to insert Cyrillic letters into translations back in the 1970s -- things like sub- and superscripts in equations, keys to call-outs for figures, etc. I couldn't change the keyboard and had to switch the Selectric ball out for the font I wanted, and I didn't have a chart to tell me which key would give me which Cyrillic letter. So I did the laborious task of making one by switching the balls for each letter. Then I referred to the key whenever I had to type a Cyrillic letter. Over time it just became easier to remember which key was which than it was to refer to the key.Collapse


 

Sarah McDowell  Identity Verified
Canadá
Miembro 2012
ruso al inglés
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Thanks Sergei May 21, 2013

Sergei Tumanov wrote:

is for you...


I like your recommendation for Stamina. I just downloaded it and it's really nice.


 

Sarah McDowell  Identity Verified
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Miembro 2012
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Get a keyboard cover or keyboard stickers May 21, 2013

I would not recommend installing a phonetic keyboard that mimics the English keyboard. You are better off learning the real Russian keyboard. I have heard that it was specially designed so that the most common letters in Russian are located at the centre of the keyboard.

Also, I would suggest buying one of these:
http://www.speedskin.com/solanguage.html

They are o
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I would not recommend installing a phonetic keyboard that mimics the English keyboard. You are better off learning the real Russian keyboard. I have heard that it was specially designed so that the most common letters in Russian are located at the centre of the keyboard.

Also, I would suggest buying one of these:
http://www.speedskin.com/solanguage.html

They are orange keyboard covers that lay on top of your regular keyboard. This is something that I have and it is very helpful. Of course, this won't actually make you able to type fast but you will at least know which keys are which in Russian.

I liked the suggestions that a lot of the other members mentioned in this comment thread.

P.S. - If you need a new laptop I would suggest buying one in Russia so that the Russian keys are already on it. All computer keyboards in Russia are bilingual English/Russian.
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Yuri Radcev  Identity Verified
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Miembro 2012
inglés al ruso
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Practice makes it May 21, 2013

just start working. and proficiency comes with experience. not a big wisdom.

 

Rolf Keller
Alemania
Local time: 18:34
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Use 2 keyboards May 21, 2013

Sarah McDowell wrote:

Get a keyboard cover or keyboard stickers


Why not buy a second keyboard with Kyrillic inscriptions instead? If it has an USB connector, it can work simultaneousy with the standard keyboard.


 
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