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how to create accents on laptop or netbook computers?
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Carolingua  Identity Verified
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Thanks for the suggestions so far! Jun 14, 2011

Maria Anna and Roberto--

I've tried your suggestions but unfortunately they don't work on my laptop--maybe because I have a smaller keyboard (mine is a netbook--I only use it for "emergencies" since it is much less powerful than my main desktop). May I ask what brand of laptop do you use? If I buy a laptop in the future, I would like to get one that has these options.

Anton--
I am very intrigued with your solution. I will contact you about it.

Than
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Maria Anna and Roberto--

I've tried your suggestions but unfortunately they don't work on my laptop--maybe because I have a smaller keyboard (mine is a netbook--I only use it for "emergencies" since it is much less powerful than my main desktop). May I ask what brand of laptop do you use? If I buy a laptop in the future, I would like to get one that has these options.

Anton--
I am very intrigued with your solution. I will contact you about it.

Thanks to everyone who shared what they do and you have suggested options so far.
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Germaine  Identity Verified
Canadá
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Canadian French keyboard Jun 14, 2011

I installed Windows in English on my laptop and then added the Canadian French (Qwerty) keyboard (Control Panel - Language options) and made it default. This way, I have access to every accent I need (keys surrounding the Enter key) whether I type in French - à, è, ô, î, ü, ë, etc. - or in English - résumé, fiancé... There is a keyboard icon (or a langage bar, it's up to you) on the right corner of the screen, so if needed, a single click allow you to go from the Canadian French to the ... See more
I installed Windows in English on my laptop and then added the Canadian French (Qwerty) keyboard (Control Panel - Language options) and made it default. This way, I have access to every accent I need (keys surrounding the Enter key) whether I type in French - à, è, ô, î, ü, ë, etc. - or in English - résumé, fiancé... There is a keyboard icon (or a langage bar, it's up to you) on the right corner of the screen, so if needed, a single click allow you to go from the Canadian French to the US keyboard.

Another way of solving the problem is to simply connect your usual keyboard to the laptop... and put the laptop on a mesh stand for cooling and visual comfort!
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Gail Bond  Identity Verified
Reino Unido
Local time: 14:29
Miembro 2009
francés al inglés
Accent Composer Jun 14, 2011

I bought Accent Composer, it only costs £15/$25 and makes life much easier!

http://www.accentcomposer.com

HTH
Gail


 

LuciaC
Reino Unido
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New laptop Jun 14, 2011

If you are thinking of buying a new laptop, the new models have a broader keyboard which includes a numeric pad. Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, I think, all have models with such keypads (search Google images). I've just bought one for a very affordable price, fantastic resolution etc. and the keyboard also allows me to use all sort of shortcuts.




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Alan Douglas (X)  Identity Verified
Francia
Local time: 15:29
Numeric keypad Jun 14, 2011

I have a French laptop with standard French AZERTY keyboad. Even this does not have É, Ç, Ÿ, — (long dash for reported conversation in French), or Spanish accented characters which I also use on a regular basis and gets "confused", particularly with regards to punctuation, when there are frequent language changes in more or less continuous text. It seems never to know whether to insert « » or " ". From time to time, ALT Codes are an unavoidable necessity (plus ctrl+caps key+space bar for ... See more
I have a French laptop with standard French AZERTY keyboad. Even this does not have É, Ç, Ÿ, — (long dash for reported conversation in French), or Spanish accented characters which I also use on a regular basis and gets "confused", particularly with regards to punctuation, when there are frequent language changes in more or less continuous text. It seems never to know whether to insert « » or " ". From time to time, ALT Codes are an unavoidable necessity (plus ctrl+caps key+space bar for a no-break space).

My solution was to purchase a separate numeric keypad, plug it into a USB hub (there are never enough ports on notepads or laptops). Problem solved. Mine is a Mobility Lab mini keypad, model n°: SKP-190H but any one will do. They are small, light in weight and inexpensive. It sits on the desk beside the laptop and can be ignored unless reuired.
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kmtext
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Use the Fn key and num lock Jun 14, 2011

... to activate the numeric keypad built into the keyboard and then use the alt key and codes as you normally would. Just remember to turn it off again for normal typing. Failing that, get a usb numeric keypad. They're fairly cheap and easy to use.

 

Angela Dickson (X)  Identity Verified
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USB keypad Jun 14, 2011

I had this problem a few years ago, and I found the Fn key solution to be cumbersome and annoying. I solved it in the end by buying a separate USB keypad. Much smaller than a separate keyboard, and it's no trouble to carry it around when I am carrying my laptop around.

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I had this problem a few years ago, and I found the Fn key solution to be cumbersome and annoying. I solved it in the end by buying a separate USB keypad. Much smaller than a separate keyboard, and it's no trouble to carry it around when I am carrying my laptop around.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000BMXYC8/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0000ATFP7&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=07RGTEYA3NK6J0KQZWQT
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Carolingua  Identity Verified
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question re: separate number keypad Jun 14, 2011

Angela,

When you plug in your separate number keypad, do you need to click NUMlock to use it? My concern is that my keyboard does not have a NUMlock key. Since I'm using a 10-inch netbook (HP Mini 210-1070NR), the keyboard is a reduced version of a full-sized keyboard.

I may have to get a full-sized laptop--although I really like the versatility of the netbooks for quick trips--they are so light! Do any of you have netbooks too that you occasionally use for work (if o
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Angela,

When you plug in your separate number keypad, do you need to click NUMlock to use it? My concern is that my keyboard does not have a NUMlock key. Since I'm using a 10-inch netbook (HP Mini 210-1070NR), the keyboard is a reduced version of a full-sized keyboard.

I may have to get a full-sized laptop--although I really like the versatility of the netbooks for quick trips--they are so light! Do any of you have netbooks too that you occasionally use for work (if only for emailing the client)? If so, which ones do you like and how did you get around the accent problem?
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B D Finch  Identity Verified
Francia
Local time: 15:29
Miembro 2006
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Why so complicated? Jun 14, 2011

I am constantly switching between French and English on both my laptop and my desktop and in a variety of programs. I have French and English keyboard formats installed in Windows on both computers and switch between them by using keyboard shortcuts (ALT+SHIFT+9 for French AZERTY keyboard and ALT+SHIFT+0 for UK English QWERTY keyboard, but you can choose any shortcut combination you want). That is really fast and I can change layouts within a single word.

I touch type in both lang
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I am constantly switching between French and English on both my laptop and my desktop and in a variety of programs. I have French and English keyboard formats installed in Windows on both computers and switch between them by using keyboard shortcuts (ALT+SHIFT+9 for French AZERTY keyboard and ALT+SHIFT+0 for UK English QWERTY keyboard, but you can choose any shortcut combination you want). That is really fast and I can change layouts within a single word.

I touch type in both languages, so don't usually need to look at the keyboard as I type. I am typing this on a keyboard marked out physically as AZERTY, which is quite useful as I know the English layout better. The laptop is marked out physically as QWERTY and I also have a spare QWERTY keyboard, which I can look at if I forget where a symbol is located.

I do find that it is quite difficult to type a word in either English or French while having the keyboard set to the other language. My fingers just seem to go to the keys according to the language they are typing in.



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Angela Dickson (X)  Identity Verified
Reino Unido
Local time: 14:29
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Not sure Jun 14, 2011

Carolingua wrote:

Angela,

When you plug in your separate number keypad, do you need to click NUMlock to use it? My concern is that my keyboard does not have a NUMlock key. Since I'm using a 10-inch netbook (HP Mini 210-1070NR), the keyboard is a reduced version of a full-sized keyboard.


I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it's necessary to press NumLock first. In fact, I'm typing this on my laptop, which doesn't appear to have a NumLock key. Thinking about it, there's no need for a NumLock key on a laptop if the number pad is accessible using the Fn key (as it is on mine).

I think the keypad has one character mapped to each key so there's no need for NumLock. (I'm not using it today as I am not typing in French, so don't have it to hand).


 

kmtext
Reino Unido
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The pad usually has an integral num lock key Jun 14, 2011

There are various different types, but most have a num lock key top left.

 

NMR (X)
Francia
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Additional keyboard Jun 14, 2011

Costs 10 euros or 15 dollars or so. And: you can always type English on any other keyboard, no need to switch. The first time it takes about 3 days to switch from a QUERTY to an AZERTY keyboard, the second time much less (I touch type in both too, but avoid this whenever possible).
It even avoids backaches.


 

José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
Brasil
Local time: 12:29
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US International Jun 14, 2011

I have been using US keyboards since the days of the PC-XT under DOS and the iconless Windows 2.01. That required Alt-XXX for accented letters in PageMaker 3.0.

Some time in the past, I think it was Windows 3.1 or 95, the US-International keyboard setting became necessary to allow accents to be typed directly in Portuguese.

Nowadays US-keyboards are hard to find in Brazil, most are ABNT, but I still get them. I can't imagine anyone typing accents with Alt-XXX after Wind
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I have been using US keyboards since the days of the PC-XT under DOS and the iconless Windows 2.01. That required Alt-XXX for accented letters in PageMaker 3.0.

Some time in the past, I think it was Windows 3.1 or 95, the US-International keyboard setting became necessary to allow accents to be typed directly in Portuguese.

Nowadays US-keyboards are hard to find in Brazil, most are ABNT, but I still get them. I can't imagine anyone typing accents with Alt-XXX after Windows 3.1 or 95.

Now and then I write in my lame Italian, Spanish, or French, and my problem with accents involves more where to place them on words than how to do it on the keyboard. Though I can understand some 15-20% of Polish, I cannot write anything that makes sense in it, so I haven't sought a solution for its diacritics.
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