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sam@fr-uk
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:33
French to English
| Office 365 and real-time previews | Oct 8, 2015 |
SDL_Steve wrote:
However we will soon be releasing SP1 later this month, that covers this (2016) filter (and much more). SP1 is FREE for all Studio 2015 users.
Hi Steve,
As an Office 365 'Click-to-Run' user, I haven't been able to display real-time previews since Studio 2014.
Do you happen to know if SP1 will finally resolve this issue in Studio 2015? That would be greatly appreciated (although I'm aware of the CTRL-SHIFT-P workaround).
Many thanks.
| | | | | @SDL Community | Oct 8, 2015 |
You've made an incorrect assumption about the latest upgrade to Microsoft Office. For Office 365 subscribers, the move to Office 2016 is free, so it's not necessarily a case of only paying to upgrade once piece of software and not another. Secondly, in some cases, the upgrade to Office 2016 is forced. I had to reinstall my OS recently and when reinstalling Office, only 2016 was available. There is no longer an option to install an earlier version of Office or to revert back once the 2016 upgrade... See more You've made an incorrect assumption about the latest upgrade to Microsoft Office. For Office 365 subscribers, the move to Office 2016 is free, so it's not necessarily a case of only paying to upgrade once piece of software and not another. Secondly, in some cases, the upgrade to Office 2016 is forced. I had to reinstall my OS recently and when reinstalling Office, only 2016 was available. There is no longer an option to install an earlier version of Office or to revert back once the 2016 upgrade has taken place.
This means that the upgrade is not a choice for some people and believe me, many people aren't happy with Microsoft either for this situation.
Added to all this, I really don't like the argument of 'why pay to upgrade once piece of software and not another'? As freelancers, we have to make some very careful decisions around money. In an ideal world, we all want to upgrade our software as often as possible, but in reality we have to prioritize. While I agree that upgrading Trados should be a priority for most translators, we can't always do it immediately. We do it when we can afford it and no one should feel forced to do it, especially if you've only owned a particular version for a year or two. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Some valid points from you and others... | Oct 8, 2015 |
Rob Latchford wrote:
While I agree that upgrading Trados should be a priority for most translators, we can't always do it immediately. We do it when we can afford it and no one should feel forced to do it, especially if you've only owned a particular version for a year or two.
... but it is not us who are forcing you to upgrade. We have to move the software on to the best of our ability to meet the needs of the majority of our users. If we had to spend time attempting to make older versions support features of the new ones then this would be a considerable cost to us as a business. The effect of this is that the upgrade in 2014 would probably not be free either. It's a long time since we charged for updates within the same version but having to do a major piece of work on it would very likely cause this to happen.
So in many ways I think the best solution is to include a maintenance contract as a necessary business expense and spread it out over the year. This way it's more easily digested and keeping up with the latest versions of all your software becomes an operational decision rather than a financial one.
Regards
Paul
SDL Community Support
| | | | | How to go back to Office 2013 | Oct 8, 2015 |
If someone wants to go back to Office 2013, there's only one way to do that: you must have your old installer. Ask friends, the installation file is not assigned to a specific person/computer, as it seems. Then you have to log in using your Microsoft account. A friend has just saved me. I WILL upgrade to Trados Studio 2015, but not right now. Having a one-person company, I have more urgent financial needs and upgrade to Freelance Plus is quite expensive. At least now I have time to prepare.
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SDL_Steve 
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:33
English to Arabic
| Office 365 and real-time previews | Oct 9, 2015 |
Hi Sam,
Its not Studio that causes the problems here- but indeed the Microsoft 365 (cloud) version.
-We do seem to get blamed a lot for circumstances out of our control
Microsoft are simply not providing the ... See more Hi Sam,
Its not Studio that causes the problems here- but indeed the Microsoft 365 (cloud) version.
-We do seem to get blamed a lot for circumstances out of our control
Microsoft are simply not providing the MSI installer with some versions-
http://kb.sdl.com/#tab:homeTab:crumb:7:artId:5013
As this topic of 365 (Cloud) version keeps popping up- I did some personal research yesterday on MS forums and it seems clear ONLY locally installed versions will ever have the MSI.
It appears (from the forums) this is because 365 etc. is subscription based and if you do not continue to pay then you lose the right to access the software/files etc.
If the MSI were to be available- then MS cannot control this.
As a professional translator I personally would want to ensure I have a full local (MSI) install at least on the main machine to ensure you retain full working capability
Unless the Office version you opt for is delivered with the MSI- there can only ever be a workaround it would seem.
Kr
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| | | | sam@fr-uk
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:33
French to English
| Office 365 and real-time previews | Oct 9, 2015 |
SDL_Steve wrote: Its not Studio that causes the problems here- but indeed the Microsoft 365 (cloud) version. -We do seem to get blamed a lot for circumstances out of our control Microsoft are simply not providing the MSI installer with some versions-
Thanks for your prompt response, Steve.
I do appreciate that it must be frustrating when Trados gets the blame for everything short of war, flood and famine. The problem is that Studio 'interfaces' with so many different applications that it's often hard for users to know exactly where each problem lies and who can fix it.
I only asked because I saw the following note a few weeks ago, just below the table on your linked page: "The SDL Development team are aware of this problem and are working on a solution." That's why I thought it must be something relatively straightforward to resolve on SDL's side.
Anyway, you're absolutely right that it's better to have a full local install, even it means shelling out a bit more to Microsoft, which it inevitably will do.
Thanks again.
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| | | | | @SDL Community | Oct 9, 2015 |
SDL Community wrote:
... but it is not us who are forcing you to upgrade.
You're right and I'm sorry if my post sounded like it was accusing SDL specifically. It is not SDL forcing us to upgrade, but the situation. And in my case, and probably many others, it was pretty much out of our control, short of cancelling subscriptions to Office, etc.
My comment was more taking issue at the financial argument of why we should be looking to upgrade Trados asap to keep up with all other software. Comparing a free Office upgrade to shelling out over $800 for Trados is not a fair comparison. I'm well aware that for many the cost of upgrading Trados is significantly cheaper, but for those of us on older/different versions of Trados, the cheaper upgrade path is not available.
Incidentally, after a large outcry, MS has recently implemented the option to roll back to Office 2013. I have decided to do this to retain maximum compatibility with my version of Trados.
| | | | | Office 365 version | Oct 9, 2015 |
Rob, what Version of Office do you have? Because it seems that the downgrade option's availability depends on the version of your Office 365 subscription. My friend has some horribly expensive Enterprise version and he has got that option right from the start. I have Small Business Premium and I don't see the downgrade option or maybe I don't know where to look.
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| @ CarrieRooster | Oct 12, 2015 |
I'm using Office 365 Personal and they've just recently added the option to install an earlier version of Office from the Account page. During my research it seems as though the option to roll back to Office 2013 has always been there for Business users. This link points to a page where the download... See more I'm using Office 365 Personal and they've just recently added the option to install an earlier version of Office from the Account page. During my research it seems as though the option to roll back to Office 2013 has always been there for Business users. This link points to a page where the download option was posted by an MS support person: https://community.office365.com/en-us/f/685/t/410503
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| | | | | Seems to depend on the version | Oct 13, 2015 |
Thanks for your reply! Unfortunately, I still don't see the old installation file on my profile in Office 365. Probably it is only available in some countries and I'm in Poland. I've asked Microsoft and hopefully they will look into it. Of course, I can install the English version, but I'm not sure if my licence would be accepted then. Anyway, now I'm using the Polish installation file I've got from a friend. Due to a bit forced upgrade, I've got a large discount from Polish software provider an... See more Thanks for your reply! Unfortunately, I still don't see the old installation file on my profile in Office 365. Probably it is only available in some countries and I'm in Poland. I've asked Microsoft and hopefully they will look into it. Of course, I can install the English version, but I'm not sure if my licence would be accepted then. Anyway, now I'm using the Polish installation file I've got from a friend. Due to a bit forced upgrade, I've got a large discount from Polish software provider and purchased Trados Studio 2015, but I'm waiting for SP1 before I will reinstall Office 2016. SDL is NOT guilty of everything, short of flood and war. Micro$oft is ;-P BTW, Trados Studio 2015 has many new cool functions, even though the colours are ugly - white, grey and.. more grey. Fifty shades of Trados hehe
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| | | | | 2016 download version | Oct 13, 2015 |
So does this mean that if you purchase Office 2016 in the download version then the real-time preview will be supported?
Thanks,
Olly
| | | | | Office 2016 support | Oct 13, 2015 |
I've checked three test files with Office 2016 and Trados Studio 2015: Word, Excel and PowerPoint. Word is working, Excel is working, but is misinterpreted as a bilingual file, and PowerPoint is not working, so I'm waiting for SP1 before I reinstall Office 2016 (currently using 2013, as it is fully compatible). So, I don't recommend installing Office 2016 before Studio 2015 SP1 is available. Apparently, the new SP should make Trados Studio 2015 fully compatible with Office 2016. I haven't checke... See more I've checked three test files with Office 2016 and Trados Studio 2015: Word, Excel and PowerPoint. Word is working, Excel is working, but is misinterpreted as a bilingual file, and PowerPoint is not working, so I'm waiting for SP1 before I reinstall Office 2016 (currently using 2013, as it is fully compatible). So, I don't recommend installing Office 2016 before Studio 2015 SP1 is available. Apparently, the new SP should make Trados Studio 2015 fully compatible with Office 2016. I haven't checked the preview, though.
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SDL_Steve
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:33
English to Arabic
Hi Olly-
Further to my previous posts- the MSI installer is only available in a limited number of locally installed versions-
http://kb.sdl.com/#tab:homeTab:crumb:7:artId:5013
It appears that CLOUD based versions will never have this option based on MS forums.
Although the 365 version is a seemingly cheap option you are not getting full functi... See more Hi Olly-
Further to my previous posts- the MSI installer is only available in a limited number of locally installed versions-
http://kb.sdl.com/#tab:homeTab:crumb:7:artId:5013
It appears that CLOUD based versions will never have this option based on MS forums.
Although the 365 version is a seemingly cheap option you are not getting full functionality or the reliability of a full version or even any guarantees you can access 365 when you need to.
MS make it very clear that if they are unable to verify your license on a regular monthly basis- access will be stopped to the office environment and therefore to your saved files.
I would therefore strongly advise you always to opt for a locally installed version (not just for real time preview reasons) to ensure that you have full functionality.
Once we have thoroughly tested Office 2016 we will update our websites and KB accordingly.
Kr
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Maybe it's a bit irrelevant to the discussion, but I would not recommend using cloud version of Office and the cloud drive to save files, also due to security reasons. Apparently, MS is infamous for "accidental" deleting of personal files misinterpreted as... child porn. No comments... Anyway, Office 365 Small Business Premium allows for installation on 5 computer and 3 mobile devices (iPhone, etc.), so I think it should be enough for anyone. I don't know how it looks like with other versions. Y... See more Maybe it's a bit irrelevant to the discussion, but I would not recommend using cloud version of Office and the cloud drive to save files, also due to security reasons. Apparently, MS is infamous for "accidental" deleting of personal files misinterpreted as... child porn. No comments... Anyway, Office 365 Small Business Premium allows for installation on 5 computer and 3 mobile devices (iPhone, etc.), so I think it should be enough for anyone. I don't know how it looks like with other versions. You can always deregister any computer and register another one using your admin access. Hope that helps. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | For anyone still struggling... | Oct 15, 2015 |
For anyone still struggling with going back to Office 2013, if you have Office 365 subscription. I don't know about other versions, but if you have Small Business Premium, you won't find the installation file on your administrator account. But you can use the technical support option there. It should be called service request or something like that (I have Polish version, so I'm not sure). Type in any language what's going on and that you want your Office 2013 back and they'll call you and send... See more
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And just think that a bunch of trained monkeys in Polish MS support centre, after switching me from one department to another, finally decided that sending me the installation file to an older version of Office is Mission Impossible for them. Yes, Micro$oft is evil. But they can be also nice and helpful, if they call from India
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