| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4] > | This year, I noticed gross misinterpretation of people's professional qualifications (at ProZ.com) Thread poster: Marquis
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| No real community to me | Jun 20, 2017 |
Fiona Grace Peterson wrote: A definition of "community", in case you were unsure: community
[kuh-myoo-ni-tee] a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually preceded by the): the business community; the community of scholars. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/community?s=t
I share certain characteristics or interests with a few people here and I don't know how many they really are, but my feeling is that I have not much in common at all with a lot of people who accept the very very often unreasonably cheap jobs available/advertised on this platform and with others who oppose a lot of what I support and defend in the forums. I have lost that community feeling over the years if I even ever felt it.
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Fiona Grace Peterson wrote: David GAY wrote:
Don't you pay your membership only to improve your ranking in the directory?
Do you always jump to conclusions and presume to tell others why they do certain things? Improving my ranking is only part of the reason I pay for membership. It does get me a better ranking in the directory, particularly in my language pair and specialist subject. This in turn gets me further work, not something to be despised, as you seem to be insinuating.
I'm just saying it's a marketing tool (among other tools). That's all. I'm not insinuating it's a bad thing. Marketing is needed in any business.
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Fiona Grace Peterson wrote: A definition of "community", in case you were unsure: community
[kuh-myoo-ni-tee] a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists (usually preceded by the): the business community; the community of scholars. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/community?s=t
Do lawyers, CPAs, architects form a community?
| | | | DZiW (X)
Ukraine
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| Non-constant proven skills & credo | Jun 20, 2017 |
First of all, the commercially viable biz principle is “maximum returns at minimum costs and efforts”. Everything is always at the expense of something else and that’s ok.
While balancing “allowed, unless the contrary is proved” vs. “forbidden, till proven otherwise” approach, the ProZ policy does tend to a ‘democratic tolerancy’, which still may be relatively fine for a self-regulation business rector; not to mention the ProZ is neither... See more First of all, the commercially viable biz principle is “maximum returns at minimum costs and efforts”. Everything is always at the expense of something else and that’s ok.
While balancing “allowed, unless the contrary is proved” vs. “forbidden, till proven otherwise” approach, the ProZ policy does tend to a ‘democratic tolerancy’, which still may be relatively fine for a self-regulation business rector; not to mention the ProZ is neither employer, nor a jury trial.
There’re many conditions when one can be bi- or trilingual without even visiting the foreign country: historical regions, border territories, biz, relations, and so on.
Unfortunately, the infamous issue of diploma and certification mills is no specific to ProZ or other communities, let alone credentials don't reflect practical skills.
Politically-correctly they call “competing with a bunch of liars, posers, and cheaters” as marketing, where better ones get better share and worse ones either improve or drop out; still makes sense)
Finally, it’s very translators who tell lies and truthiness about themselves, not the ProZ.
Perhaps, I’m a little biased for I don’t use it as a job portal, yet I do believe one who is aware of abuses should report it, and one who can make constructive proposals to make the community even better should make it loud and clear, no just ranting. IMO
Cheers
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Let he that is without sin cast the first stone! You're claiming to be a native English speaker.
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Fiona Grace Peterson wrote:
ProZ is a marketing tool, but it's more than that. It's a terminology resource, a place where people can interact on the forums (perplexed as to why you seem to think that being a community and being able to interact with each other are somehow mutually exclusive), a place to organise get-togethers, participate in the same, network, and ask for/give help with terminology problems. I could go on and on.
A definition of "community", in case
Isn't the point rather that the community side of ProZ is contributed for free by members, whereas the owners who take our money should be providing something in return, and raising standards and/or protecting our reputation should be pretty high up the list.
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Fiona Grace Peterson wrote:
(perplexed as to why you seem to think that being a community and being able to interact with each other are somehow mutually exclusive),
My point was that the mere fact that we are interacting doesn't imply that we are a community.
Facebook or linkedin aren't communities as far as I know. Their members who share the same interests
are called groups, not communities.
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philgoddard wrote:
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone! You're claiming to be a native English speaker.
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It doesn't work to demand a solution to a problem that one is actively contributing to.
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Marquis
United States
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TOPIC STARTER | To Mr. Goddart adn Forstag | Jun 20, 2017 |
Good point..... I am confused.
How does either one of you know what am I native in?????
I just noticed discrepancies concerning people cl;aiming to belong to certain organizations or not. This is supposed to be a forum, not a platform to abuse and insult other translators, but thank you for reading through my profile LOL
My profile does not state that I spoke EN at home since I was 3 and my mother married a foreigner......
but I actually do not have to explain m... See more Good point..... I am confused.
How does either one of you know what am I native in?????
I just noticed discrepancies concerning people cl;aiming to belong to certain organizations or not. This is supposed to be a forum, not a platform to abuse and insult other translators, but thank you for reading through my profile LOL
My profile does not state that I spoke EN at home since I was 3 and my mother married a foreigner......
but I actually do not have to explain myself to you.
This was just in a way to point out to other people on this site to watch out for people abusing this platform, as a lot of information presented and claimed by the translators is not true.
Sure, this is just a platform, but a platform that people rely on, as someone said, to get the glossaries, dictionaries and simple assistance with difficult terminology, but when you have a bunch of unqualified people what you get is a bunch of unqualified terms to go on and sometimes people with no experience whatsoever want to tell you how to do your job.
Please do not respond. I am not willing to get into any back and forth with anyone at this point.
I am just saying....
Kind regards to all.
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| | | | Lincoln Hui
Hong Kong
Local time: 21:26
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What is ATA's verification process if you check "Yes" for "Do you have a degree in translation or interpreting?" and "Are you certified by any credentialing organization other than ATA?" I know for a fact they don't verify anything that you put in the "Additional Information" field.
| | | | Maija Cirule
Latvia
Local time: 16:26
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Marquis wrote:
Good point..... I am confused.
How do either one of you know what am I native in?????
I just noticed discrepancies concerning people cl;aiming to belong to certain organizations or not. This is supposed to be a forum, not a platform to abuse and insult other translators, but thank you for reading through my profile LOL
My profile does not state that I spoke EN at home since I was 3 and my mother married a foreigner......
but I actually do not have to explain myself to you.
This was just in a way to point out to other people on this site to watch out for people abusing this platform, as a lot of information presented and claimed by the translators is not true.
Sure, this is just a platform, but a platform that people rely on, as someone said, to get the glossaries, dictionaries and simple assistance with difficult terminology, but when you have a bunch of unqualified people what you get is a bunch of unqualified terms to go on and sometimes people with no experience whatsoever want to tell you how to do your job.
Please do not respond. I am not willing to get into any back and forth with anyone at this point.
I am just saying....
Kind regards to all.
how it feels to be the only honest, decent, and trustworthy person among cheaters, liars and a "bunch of unqualified people ... you get is a bunch of unqualified terms to go on and sometimes people with no experience whatsoever want to tell you how to do your job"? No offense intended, I'm just curious.
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| | | | Marquis
United States
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TOPIC STARTER | to Maija Cirule keep on wandering | Jun 21, 2017 |
Yes, keep on wandering.
I am not the only one and if you gathered this much from my post.....I have nothing else to say.
I get my jobs done, because I do not trust everything that is posted here and I know quite well how to do my research without help of pseudo translators.
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Marquis
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TOPIC STARTER
Thank you.
That was my point.
I am glad someone here gets it ":-)
| | | | | Not misinterpretation, but misstating | Jun 21, 2017 |
The Proz profile page starts out blank. Some people leave it like that. Others fill it out, either truthfully or as a work of fiction. How much or how little info, how much is truthful, how much is sheer invention and/or wishful thinking is up to the individual. Proz does not intervene or question any entries. People can claim any native language they wish. They can claim expertise in any source language they wish. No problem. Even a P badge is possible. The world is your oyster and the profile ... See more The Proz profile page starts out blank. Some people leave it like that. Others fill it out, either truthfully or as a work of fiction. How much or how little info, how much is truthful, how much is sheer invention and/or wishful thinking is up to the individual. Proz does not intervene or question any entries. People can claim any native language they wish. They can claim expertise in any source language they wish. No problem. Even a P badge is possible. The world is your oyster and the profile page is your shucking knife.
Somewhere along the line, Proz should really drop the hint by entering a phrase starting with "Proz is not responsible for the contents or accuracy......"
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| | | | Marquis
United States
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TOPIC STARTER | To Lincoln Hui | Jun 21, 2017 |
If it is so easy to become an ATA member, why do people lie about it so often........
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